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elladara85
Joined: 16.05.2006

Holdem Manager No-Limit Hold'em, $200.00 (HH Converter by Kreatief & Marple08)

SB 22/18, 3bet 8.2 (SB 9%),cbet 62%, AF 4.3/1.5/2.3

history: normal 3betting stuff // i think he is one of the good REGs

I think with normal stacksize i play 4bet/broke there. Since we were a little deep and the fact that i had position i just called his 3bet.

FLOP
I think the Flop call is standard.

TURN
My thoughts were:"ok, the Q is a good card to bluff. Maybe he got an OP JJ+, which is scared of the Q now." I think i can barrel him off of his OPs with a Turn+Riverbet.That means, that i turn my TT into a bluff,except he is thinking that iam floating there and he wants to c/c with weaker pairs(but i float very rarely in 3bet pots). On the other hand i thought, that my TT are too strong to turn it into a bluff. The problem is, if i check behind the Turn, my hand looks just what it is - a medium PP.

River
Ok- what is he betting here ? Maybe a Flush, a FH, a Q which he wanted to crAI on Turn, JJ/KK/AA ? On the other hand my holding is so obvious because of my cb on Turn, that he could barrel again to get me off my hand. I think i got owned somehow in that spot.
Better bet/fold Turn ?

CO ($206.35)
BTN ($298.15) ________ (Hero)
SB ($275.60)
BB ($508.06)
MP3 ($218.98)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T♥, T♣
2 folds, Hero raises to $6.00, SB raises to $21.00, 1 folds, Hero calls $16.00,

Flop: 3♥, Q♠, 9♠ ( $46 )
SB bets $32.00, Hero calls $32.00,

Turn: Q♦ ( $110 )
SB checks, Hero checks,

River: 6♠ ( $110 )
SB bets $65.00, 1 folds,


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

I think a fold is good. A smaller pocketpair would have checked river as well.

Given his AF stats, I think he is one of those people who like to use the bet/check/bet line for value. Added with the 1/2 potsize bet which looks like value, I think he is often having a pair higher than yours or some AsKs.


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

totally read/image/history dependant imo

u could do many things with your tight image as u re writing..

fe: r flop very small or: just betting turn very small, like 1/4-1/3 as a prober bet, when facing a shove, it then abs depends on previous metagame, u could even call shove on flop imo and be fair amount of the time ahead, turn the same, but without knowing the opp very well i wouldnt recommend anything specifically

as played: if i know he sees me as overtight in 3bet pots, i am calling, if he sees me, like i am going for potcontrol and i know he wants value more than he s bluffing, i am folidng.. so again: abs history dependant

aslo: if he s a good plr this is a good spot for him to bet exactly like this on river, coz he knows we know its not a good spot for bluffing, but a gr8 one for potcontrol thin valuebet.. so this is why he can bet! /and a lot of them do.. but u have to be confident in he s one of them.. not sure abt NL200 and how many are capable, but higher deffo a lot more../


TribunCaesar
Joined: 29.04.2007

nice hand.

I'd play it the very same way for the given reasons. His river bet doesn't look like a bluff, it's nearly always a value bte. If he wants to bluff he kis betting the turn again imo. people are not good enough/ don't go deep enough in meta game to bluff here. I think calling here for lastnails resaons is leveling yourself.

nh!

Best regards,
TribunCaesar


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

... its clear that the taken line is a standard one vs unknown


TribunCaesar
Joined: 29.04.2007

Originally posted by TheLastNail
... its clear that the taken line is a standard one vs unknown

and a standard one vs known. To make the call we need to know a lot more then we usually know. Even against well known players the call might be correct in like 15% of the cases.


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

Originally posted by TribunCaesar

Originally posted by TheLastNail
... its clear that the taken line is a standard one vs unknown

and a standard one vs known. To make the call we need to know a lot more then we usually know. Even against well known players the call might be correct in like 15% of the cases.

i agree its standard, but it isnt critical just on river ( i mean i am not a big fan of calling there without a lot of info, but with history we can be sure good plrs will be taking such spots as easy cheap bluffs so we have to take a stand sometime and call somewhat lighter) /also there is certainly also an option of turning made hand into a bluff and shoving too.. which would make river critical too :P.. but lets end the discussion here :) :rolleyes:/