[Closed] QQ - fold flop?

As MP3 only coldcalled the flop I think you have hm beat almost always.
MP1 can easily raise K9 or K7, maybe just a draw and a monster draw is possible too.

Board: As 9c 7s 3c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 47.449 % 47.431 % 0.036 % 52.533 % 99, 77, ATs-A2s, K9s, K7s, Q9s, J9s, T8s+, 97s, K9o
Spieler 2: 24.829 % 24.811 % 0.036 % 75.153 % KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Ks6s, Ks5s, Ks4s, Ks3s, Ks2s, QsJs, QsTs, Qs9s, Qs8s, Qs7s, Qs6s, Qs5s, Qs4s, Qs3s, Qs2s, JsTs, Js9s, Js8s, Js7s, Js6s, Js5s, Js4s, Js3s, Js2s, Ts9s, Ts8s, Ts7s, Ts6s, Ts5s, Ts4s, Ts3s, Ts2s, 9s8s, 9s7s, 9s6s, 9s5s, 9s4s, 9s3s, 9s2s, 8s7s, 8s6s, 8s5s, 8s4s, 8s3s, 8s2s, 7s6s, 7s5s, 7s4s, 7s3s, 7s2s, 6s5s, 6s4s, 6s3s, 6s2s, 5s4s, 5s3s, 5s2s, 4s3s, 4s2s, 3s2s
Spieler 3: 27.722 % 27.722 % 0.000 % 72.278 % QhQd

~28% doesn't look that bad but he may not raise that aggressive and then a fold is better. If he is aggressive I call the turn and fold bad rivercards. Maybe a fold is still the best play even against an aggressive opponent as it will be still 3-haned on the river and if he bets again a bluff becomes pretty unlikely so you have to fold even to blank.

Anyone a better idea?

There are several facts for a flop fold.

This is a multiway pot and we have a marginal hand
There is one raise + 1 call behind you
You have absolutely no redraw
You can't 3bet to eject somebody out of the hand
You are OOP and risking a raising war
If against a flush draw + top pair, you are drawing to only 1 out

I wouldn't stove this hand and would have played it c/f directly on the flop.

Originally posted by OlivierLu

I wouldn't stove this hand and would have played it c/f directly on the flop.

C/F?? Do you didn't the continuation bet flop?

Greetings.-

Originally posted by OlivierLu
You are OOP and risking a raising war

You are last to act after his raise so that point doesn't count.

Check/fold flop is no option. That's way too weak. You are very often ahead so you need to bet. Bet/fold flop for almost 14:1 is nothing I like either. Sure I'm not used to FR nymore but he should be able to raise a few worse pairs here if not just a draw. Both can have a draw so for 14:1 I make the flopcall. To follow that line you have to even call the turn but his bet becomes only stronger as it makes no sense for him to bet a draw again so now you are pretty often behind and as the pot is smaller (oddswise) a fold is probably better.

Even if the hand was playing SH, I wouldn't conti-bet this one.

1st, If I conti-bet then 1 villain call, I could raised by a lone flush draw that will barrel the turn for sure.
If I call this flop raise, I commit myself to the showdown if no turn out until the river. If it's 3way, I'm way to often against Ax no kicker.

I'm not sure it's that weak to c/f this flop.

Would you bet a rainbow A79 board ?
Is it because of the flush draw that you bet ?

No the flushdraw is rather bad than good for us so that makes no difference for a flopbet.

The preflopcaller have pretty decent stats so I don't see them limping Ax that often (at least not more often that small pair or suited/offsuited connectors).
I really think that check/fold is very weak here. Would you check/fold in a 3-way pot as well?

In a 3-way pot, it's way much closer.
In a 4-way flop, with a contibet+a raise+a call, I just can't see hero over average equity...

Originally posted by OlivierLu
In a 4-way flop, with a contibet+a raise+a call, I just can't see hero over average equity...

True, but the pot is so huge that I call closing the action and decide on the turn what to do.

The flopraise can be a flushdraw on the turn with getting 2 callers he won't bet a lot weaker hand not again so now we are against his better range and can fold.

Talking with only odds & outs, I give me 1.5 outs. The Q:s is not a good out for me but I'll improve often enough on the river to count this one half an out.

1.5 outs needs something around 30 to 35:1 to call. The pot is big but not big enough !

Sorry for the late reply. You made me worry about my play so I asked other judges about it.

2 responded and make the continuationbet but give up after the raise. So they bet/fold the flop because the odds aren't good enough to call for our discounted outs and we are not often enough ahead to calldown as well.

Originally posted by ciRith
Sorry for the late reply. You made me worry about my play so I asked other judges about it.

2 responded and make the continuationbet but give up after the raise. So they bet/fold the flop because the odds aren't good enough to call for our discounted outs and we are not often enough ahead to calldown as well.

no problem. I appreciate.
I've noted that c/f is too weak. Next time, I'll play b/f for a balancing (I guess?) issue between b/f, b/c and b/3b.

On this limit I would go for the maximum value. As long as it's not HU you don't need to worry about being exploited. Often I like to get raised and get another coldcaller in spots like these as a fold feels still weak but they won't start raising trash as long as there are others in the hand.