[Closed] KK - Call river?

1) I make a cryingcall. He may have KQ or AQo here. Overpairs are unlikely and AK with a flushdraw as well.

Board: Qc 7s 7c 5c 3c
Dead:

Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 75.862 % 75.862 % 0.000 % 24.138 % 77, 55, AhJh, AcJc, AcTc, Ac9c, Ac8c, Ah7h, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, KQs, KcJc, KcTc, Kc9c, QJs, JcTc, Jc9c, Tc9c, AQo, AsJc, AhJc, AdJc, AcJs, AcJh, AcJd, AsTc, AhTc, AdTc, AcTs, AcTh, AcTd, As9c, Ah9c, Ad9h, Ad9c, Ac9s, Ac9h, Ac9d, KQo, KsJc, KhJc, KdJc, KcJs, KcJh, KcJd
Spieler 2: 24.138 % 24.138 % 0.000 % 75.862 % KsKh

24% if my range is correct is a pretty easy call. In real it's closer but I think it's still a call.

2) The call from MP3 and CO on the flop are great for you. Noone has a pair over better (most of the time). As they showed a lot aggressision they hold overcards most of the time. So you are either ahead of them or behind AK. On the turn a draw arrives which BB may have had so you only have to worry about him. I think I bet/fold here as well as he can hold a lot worse hands and MP3 and CO have to fold a lot outs now too.
Luckily you are HU on the river as AJ would have a made hand now and it's the fish. I check/call here to induce a bluff from a busted flushdraw. You won't win often but as the pot is so huge you don't have to anyway.

3) Ugly result but well played. Good exploit! Sure you lost almost the maximum but try to think abouthow much you will win off him in the future (not that easy I know :/).

Originally posted by ciRith

2) The call from MP3 and CO on the flop are great for you. Noone has a pair over better (most of the time). As they showed a lot aggressision they hold overcards most of the time. So you are either ahead of them or behind AK. On the turn a draw arrives which BB may have had so you only have to worry about him. I think I bet/fold here as well as he can hold a lot worse hands and MP3 and CO have to fold a lot outs now too.
Luckily you are HU on the river as AJ would have a made hand now and it's the fish. I check/call here to induce a bluff from a busted flushdraw. You won't win often but as the pot is so huge you don't have to anyway.

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , A
MP3 folds, CO raises, BU 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, CO calls, BU calls.
Flop: (16,00 SB) 6 , 6 , 3 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, CO calls, BU calls.

BB is loose pasiv caling station
CO is loose pasiv and
BTN is more like Tag than a Lag

Q:

#1. Why u should cap preflop vs those guys with those stats OOP??
-i dont say is mistake but u r praticly isolating ur self vs beter hands OOP and u r becaming agresor dont knowing how strong hand did they actualy have there, and ur bilding bit pot giving those caling station good pot ods to turn into check call mode, if u call and CO cap u know that u r surely behind and u got to flop big

#2 Why u should Cbet in 3 calers on 6 , 6 , 3 flop with that action preflop with no draw just with Ahi?
- i dont see that u have FE there, players with those stats imo are not folding AK, PP, FLUSH DRAWS on that board and ur puting ur self in very ugly spot if some 1 raise u couse imo if CO or BTN have KdQd, JdQd, AdTd, AdJd he might raise u on that flop and u have no idea were u r and got to fold in that huge pot

#3 BB calls, which is worse scenario imo couse he is a loose caling station VP$IP 83, WTSD 43, AF 0,03 and he is not folding and he can have a draw or made hand and he is not folding none of them.
Why would u bet turn into him???
- he will check his draws, often he will check made hands like 2 pairs (if he have pocket) ur praticly value beting ur self

#4 and finaly river i dont see ur Ahi is wining in that spot but u r geting 13:1 pot odds for a call.. is so sick.... u got to call there, theoreticly even that kind of caling station might bluf 1 time in 14 times, thats like 7% of time, with something like busted flush draw (but i dont think that we get that lucky in real live)

Hi!

Preflop cap is pretty easy since Bu( who is definately having more laggy stats than TAGGY) is 3-bet isolating a seemingly bad player(we only have 34 hands on him) whos AF is 18 and sitting on the BU.

Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
Player 1: 36,597% 32,166% 9,274% 58,559% AQs
Player 2: 27,482% 25,658% 4,059% 70,283% 66+, A3s+, K7s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo
Player 3: 35,921% 32,224% 7,806% 59,970% 88+, A9s+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo

Something like this is quite realistic for me.And even if you tighten CO range you should be a favourite.BTW ply2 is CO:)

Betting the flop not neccesery but is sooo readable. You are often oneough ahead and player next to you will often fold a hand with live outs.

About the turn I am not sure but c/c again seems so exploitable but on the other hand may save us a bet against these kind of players if they really check a pair behind.

1 and 2 is already well explained by Dawnfall26.

On the turn you can build up a bit fold equity against the 2 TAGs as your bet is very strong. You also are often ahead and only AK beats you which may fold to a riverbet unimproved.
KJ etc might fold which reduces the outs against us by 6.
If he has a draw you don't want him to take a freecard and check/call is pretty difficult to play as both TAGs can play pretty good against that.

Sure you get that in real. It's just doesn't happen very often but often enough to make check/call river profitable.

hand 2 : The board is raggy. Villain looks like a calling station and will call with a looot of weird hands such as busted draws, A-high, even K-high. I think the logic behind this kind of player is pure curiosity and well, "it's just 1BB". I would value bet this river with my A-high.

About PF, flop play, I would do the same. As stated above, the board is all ragg and we are ahead enough often to Cbet here. Plus this will add a bit of deception into our play. What I mean is I'm not only betting overpairs here.

But the point is the turn. The pot is still 4handed and A-high won't be enough of a hand here to bet into this field.

Well ok the river can be valuebet but as a few draws are busted a bluff induce is good too.

On the turn you are still often ahead. Both good players didn't raise so a pair is very unlikely so now you are only behind against AK while they can call almost any hands in this huge pot. BB might improved on the turn but he could have called any overcards on the flop which didn't improve too so I still like a bet a lot here.