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1. As I had limpers coming behind me, I decided to bet into this board with my weak made hand. I got away with it, but would it be wise in the long term?

PartyPoker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed) Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7♣, 7♦
1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO calls, BU calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (4.40 SB) T♦, K♣, J♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, CO folds, BU folds.

Final Pot: 2.70 BB.

2. On the flop, I felt I probably had the best hand, so slow played for value. Maybe not smart, and perhaps a check/raise instead of check/call? I wanted both limpers in, that’s why I acted this way. The turn card makes a lot of draws possible, so I donked. My river bet is definitely not for value. Not only is it possible I am beaten, I missed the opportunity of a bluff induce.

PartyPoker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed) Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9♦, A♥
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 folds, MP3 (poster) checks, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) 9♠, 5♠, A♣ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (2.70 BB) Q♣ (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (4.70 BB) 6♠ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 5.70 BB.

3. Again, my impulse got the better of me. I should check/raise this flop, hoping for a free card on the turn, or maybe then bet into the turn. I am not going to get a free card, because I am out of position.

PartyPoker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7♣, 7♦
2 folds, Hero calls, MP2 raises, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.40 SB) 8♠, 6♥, 5♥ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 3♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB.

4. Top pair, good kicker, backdoor draws, isolate the preflop raiser. I think the turn bet is for value, even if he is going for check/raise.

PartyPoker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A♣, J♣
UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, 5 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8.00 SB) A♥, T♠, 9♣ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.00 BB) T♣ (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 7.00 BB.

5. This draw heavy flop meant bet straight in, and try to take it down immediately. River is properly played, check/call against the possible flush, and to bluff induce.

PartyPoker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K♣, K♠
Hero raises, UTG+2 calls, 7 folds.

Flop: (5.40 SB) J♣, T♣, K♥ (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (3.70 BB) 3♦ (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (5.70 BB) 7♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.70 BB.


5 replies

1) i think you can c/f the flop

2) bet flop, bet turn, bet river 4 value

3) c/r flop, bet turn, bet river

4) good

5) BET RIVER 4 VALUE!!!!!!!! you have top set, we are not playing this for bluff induce; there are tons of worse hands that call a bet

Overall, dont be too weak, bet more 4 value with your good hands. Also, dont get too scared if the river completes a flush and still bet your strong hands 4 value. In the KK hand i might consider c/c if the board were 4 suited, but 3-suited easy bet.


1)
Ok, this is a raise preflop. SH = your in middle position the entry is "Raise 0" so that means when nobody entered the pot yet you can raise your pocket sevens here. So remember what do we want to do with medium to small pocket pairs.

2 Options:

a) we are calling with pocket pairs in a family pot and hope to flop trips.

b) we want to play them headsup and so we have to raise. But it seems like the hand is not displayed correctly because it shows that the BB has folded, which is a bit unlikely.

And the bet on the flop is a close one the board is soo ugly for our pair of sevens. I would definetly bet it against one opponent but it gets closer against 2 opponent especially not in an unraised pot.

So lets say we raise and we have 2 cold callers to modify your hand a bit. Then i would almost never ever bet this flop. i would give up the hand on the turn.

The only exception would be against loose opponents with a high VPIP ad a small "WTS" so i know i can invest a bet here which has only to be successful in one out of 5 times.

2)
Preflop: I know it is not mentioned in the starting hand chart but you can raise here. Why?
A9o is a very strong hand with a lot of Equity. MP1 limps in, i pressume that he would raise with hands like AK/AQ it could be that he is a weak player and that he jsut calls with AJ/AT but more likely is a suited and/or connected hand. MP3 just posted a blind so his range is 100%, giving us some fold equity against MP3. The problem is with a hand like A9 we would prefer to play it Heads up and because we have a good chance that the blind poster will fold a raise would be a smart move.
But there is also another factor why we should raise here. We are in the BB, so we are out of position on the flop which makes our hand very hard to play. i mean everything is easy when we hit our ace but most of the time we won't see an Ace on the flop so because we are out of position we would like to have the initiative, representing a strong hand.

Flop/Turn: hmmm strange move you are doing there? Slowplaying is not an option here. Most of the time your experiment will end like this. Flop - check - cehck - check and then you bet on the turn and everyone folds. So just bet on the turn and hope somebody as hit anything he is willing to call down especially on the flop they will call you most of the time. You can if you know MP3 is quite aggressive going for the check raise but not for c/c donk turn.
Rememeber its an unraised post so you can't expect a lot of action in general.

3)
don't donkbet into the preflop aggressor! Only bet when you hope that he will raise you so you can 3bet him or bet if you want to isolate yourself with the preflop aggressor.

Another rule: play your made hands out of position aggressive.
In a SH game on my limit i check raise the flop here cap a 3bet and bet the turn and calldown against a raise. I am not so sure if we still should cap the flop here in this FR game.

But of course your plan should be to check raise the flop and bet the turn but perhaps you should only call a 3bet on this limit people aren't that aggressive and a 3bet most of the time means real strength. But keep in mind that later people will 3bet their Overcards like AK on the flop (in position) to take a freecard on the turn.

4)
SO this is something that is not so sure. Actually it is a WA/WB situation but on the other side you have a strong hand with some outs and your hand can be quite vulnerable. So in general i just call the bet here.

Why?
First of all you are in position against the preflop aggressor so he can't take a free card or a free showdown

. So most of the time his raise out of UTG means AK/AQ or a medium to top pocket pair like 99+.

So you don't know if you are way ahead or way behind. So the best thing to do here is to just call the flop and then get more value out of hands like KT or whatever the others have behind you.

Of course you can argue now that with your raise you probaly bring a Tx hand to fold and that you have to protect your hand and that you did everything right because on the turn the second T appears. In most situations you are right but some important facts why you should just call here:

don't underestimate a raise from UTG

most of the time the other players will pay you off with their five outer.

when you are ahead you get extra value from the other players behind you

it is too expensive to isolate yourself against a better hand.

pocket pairs will often fold here when you are going for the aggressive way so you will gain only a few bets when you are ahead but you will loose much more when you are behind.

a lot of bad players will cold call with a TJ hand or something like that anyway

5)
easy bet/call on the river. Don't waste that value here. The problem is that with a pair of Jacks or Tens he won't bet again on the river because he will is scared about the 3third club card too. So a made flush will bet here but every hand you beat will check behind.
Don't miss value just because something could be possible. Don't always expect the worst case.

Sidenote: When he raises you on the flop or turn this is an easy 3bet.

2 articles you should read:

Way ahead - Way behind

Basic Moves HU on the flop


4) i still think we should raise the flop here. The pot is already pretty big and there are lots of draws possible, (gutshots, middle pairs, oesds) and i definitely want to protect in that spot. I dont see it as wa/wb on such a drawheavy board with 3 opponents. Yes, a 3-bet would be ugly and we wont get any more value from UTG+1s worse hands, but i think we have to protect here.


hazz
Joined: 13.02.2006

Originally posted by Stefan1000
some important facts why you should just call here:

most of the time the other players will pay you off with their five outer.
a lot of bad players will cold call with a TJ hand or something like that anyway

these are actually facts why you should raise!
5 outers dont make any mistake by calling here.
and we want that extrabet from coldcallers as well.

UTG={99+,ATs+,KQs,AJo+,KQo} wins 26, splits 8, looses 31 against you.

so you should assume that you have the best hand here. i'd say protect and raise.


Yap you are both right and i am wrong.

I tried to adept to the FR (i never liked FR ;) ) and to the limit. And i didn't see the danger of the board.

There are a lot of typical gutshots possible with KQ,KJ,QJ and these hands of course should fold first.

So nice hand.