2/4 SH…need help, pls! Part II

14.02.2007, 19:04 0

1)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A♥, 7♥.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J♠, A♠, 4♥ (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (7 BB) Q♣ (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

River: (9 BB) K♦ (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

SB = TAG
UTG = Callingstation
Others = unknown

It sucks to play Ax against 4 opponents, but I had to bet...what would you do on that river if...

a) SB = TAG
b) SB = LAG
c) SB = passive

I mean the pot offers 10:1, so how passive must villain be that you can fold that...(can you fold that in any situation?)

2)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A♣, 4♥.
1 fold, MP raises, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 8♥, 3♥, A♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) A♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.25 BB) 7♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.25 BB

villain = TAG

I thought wa/wb would be the best line in this spot...is it still the best line on the river? I mean I have a very good hand HU and I think I will often loose value when villain checks behind!
But can I fold HU a to river-raise with 8:1 pot odds?

3)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8♣, K♥.
1 fold, MP raises, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A♠, 8♥, 5♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 7♣ (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 4♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

villain: 60/10,5/0,5/54 (110 hands)

4)

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q♣, J♣.
Hero raises, MP calls, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (7 SB) 8♦, Q♥, 9♦ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP calls, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) J♠ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 3♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

villain: 49/6.5/0.45/46 (150 hands)

Can I fold the turn or river against this guy? I have top two pair but any ten has me beaten...he's extreme passive.

What would be your default for a TAG or LAG? Any changes?

Thx for reply,

Greetz,

Fl4me

5 replies

Ulek

Joined: 01.02.2006

Posts: 3,448

15.02.2007, 01:02 0

1) You have to have a very good read of SB to be able to fold here. I see myself calling here most of the time and only fold in very rare situations.

2) I would have played the same way against an aggressive opponent. You should give him the chance to bluffbet hands like KQ, which he would have folded if you gave action. Against a passive player you should donk the turn with your strong hand.

3)Against a standard villain i wouldnt have called the river bet, because almost any hand he calls flop and turn with has you beat. This guy has a high WTS, so he could still have K-high. But with his low AF i dont think he would bet that on the river, so its a fold here. The call is a close second and not that much of a mistake.

4) He is passive, but i guess you have to calldown here in case he has a worse TwoPair, and you still have outs for the fullhouse plus a T might give you half the pot. TAGs and LAGs might raise for a free showdown here, so you would have to call them, too.

A: *Random Kritik*
B: "halt du mal dein maul es ist besser als dein gesamtes leben"

_Anonymous_

15.02.2007, 10:33 0

Thx very much for your instructive reply...I'm quite relieved to hear that the hands were not played extremely bad

Greetz,

Fl4me

ElleDriver

Joined: 25.08.2005

Posts: 50

17.02.2007, 14:03 0

1) I found the turn play quit interesting.

What about checking the flop?
Against a bet and a raise I would fold.

What are you doing against a raise on the turn ?

Many draws will raise here.

When would you give away the lead on the turn?

_Anonymous_

21.02.2007, 00:00 0

I don't wanna check the flop because with this line i have no information about the holdings of the others! And when I get raised on the turn (we are 4 players) I don't think anybody would raise a draw here - you can raise for value with a made hand but you can't raise the turn with just a draw (when so many people are involved - raise is for foldequity and maybe free sd but i don't see foldequity that much against three opponents that you can raise here!) So most of the time i'm dominated or behind against two pair or trips (maybe a straight!)

_Anonymous_

21.02.2007, 12:17 0

definetly don't check the flop here

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