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[Closed] $24 - lone ss utg bubble

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i really struggle in these spots. is this a 50% shove to preserve FE? or ATC?

whats your range in this spot.

also whats a standard 5bb button range on the bubble as a lone short stack?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 24 Tournament, 120/240 Blinds (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t1890)
BB (t4670)
Hero (UTG) (t980)
Button (t5960)

Hero's M: 2.72

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, K
Hero bets t980 (All-In), Button calls t980, 2 folds

Flop: (t2320) 4, 6, A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2320) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2320) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2320


9 replies
Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

I don't push ATC here, where you rely on FE 100%.

But I would consider a reasonably wide range (at least 50%). I think K4s is fine here. I would prefer to be shoving 89s (for the usual reasons) but that's not what you were dealt so what can you do?


Chester20o
Joined: 17.06.2009

I push here ATC becouse i don't wana to lose FE and become too shorty. But i think its depends on your style.

ps. i probobly shouldn't say that couse you have edge on me now:P


lol chester. i dont look to join your games . very -EV imo ;)

you should be doing the same to me :P


GunFlavoured
Joined: 19.10.2008

I'm pushing almosty ATC here, at this point if you don't double up you're screwed. At this limit I think you still have some FE against the blinds.


Chester20o
Joined: 17.06.2009

Originally posted by lessthanthreee
lol chester. i dont look to join your games . very -EV imo ;)

you should be doing the same to me :P

heh..:) ok i will try but i don't doing table selection so i think we will meet time to time:D


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

i don't doing table selection so i think we will meet time to time

I don't want to encourage any kind of cartel or sharp practice, but it seems to me that - where it can reasonably be done - we should be avoiding playing against each other at the tables.

Ultimately, it's every man for himself and if player X believes he has an edge over player Y, it's not a moral requirement that he avoid playing Y just because they know each other.

On the other hand, as winning players, we reduce each other's edge when we play each other.

Chester20o, I'm interested in why you don't table select. Is it that you don't believe your edge is reduced when you play against good regs, or is it some other reason? ;)


Unam
Joined: 17.08.2006

Hmm if everyone is playing OK I push this easily, if I think SB is going to do something stupid very often, then I fold.


Chester20o
Joined: 17.06.2009

Originally posted by Tim64

i don't doing table selection so i think we will meet time to time

I don't want to encourage any kind of cartel or sharp practice, but it seems to me that - where it can reasonably be done - we should be avoiding playing against each other at the tables.

Ultimately, it's every man for himself and if player X believes he has an edge over player Y, it's not a moral requirement that he avoid playing Y just because they know each other.

On the other hand, as winning players, we reduce each other's edge when we play each other.

Chester20o, I'm interested in why you don't table select. Is it that you don't believe your edge is reduced when you play against good regs, or is it some other reason? ;)

I think my edge on this limit is good and few regs on table is a standard so its not unconfortable to me to play with them:) i like watching how they play and meaking interesting thoughts wehen i makeing my daily game review:)
And i think on higher limit it will be standard so i imo we should adept to that situation :)


Tim64
Joined: 03.11.2008

Fair enough. Ofc, you can watch how the regs play by just observing them. You don't have to play against them at the same time.

That way you get the best of both: education and increased edge for your games