[Closed] NL100 FR, T9s BU raised and got 3-betted

what kind of hands u beat will call ur flop bet?
what kind of better hands will fold to ur bet?

Fold preflop, it's not profitable to call this with 100BB stacks.
You can start when you're 120BB deep.

As played check back the flop.
Reason: See bernie0303's post.

If you struggle with this just post again and I'll explain in detail.

Thanks. Yes - please explain in more detail. I am not betting the flop to get called by worse hands. I bet flop mostly to protect my hand.

Most of the time, he has 2 overcards here. Then my reasons to bet are:

1) If I check, he can outdraw me.
2) If I check and the turn is blank, he is not likely to bet and will fold to my bet on turn anyway, so I can´t get more value from this hand. In comparison with bet on flop, the potential profit is the same but I risk to be outdrawed.
3) If I bet flop he can call me with some hand which has mediocre SD value - e.g. 99,88,66. He can also call me speculatively with overcards.
4) Plus here in this situation he may have some draws. I want him to pay me off with the draws.

--> I have the hand with value on flop but which is very vulnerable if I let free cards roll. I don´t mind to win the pot on the flop.

The downside of betting is that if he has better hand, I must fold to his c/r. But I would lose the pot anyway to better hands (if I don´t hit my 5 outs) so I dont mind bet/folding.

You may argue, that I lost 15$ when betting. But if the turn is blank (say 2) and he tries to bet 15$ are you really folding??? Note that this hand was 3betted by SB pre with 6% 3-bet range - most of the time it is facecards which are frequently folding to my bet on flop.

--> I completely don´t see the point in checking behind the flop ♠_confused: ♠_confused: ♠_confused: Up to now I was totally convinced this is the flop for VALUE BET and PROTECTION. Why would I pot control here? I always bet similar spots. If it´s wrong, this would mean I play totally wrong all my (short but profitable 3BB/100 in 40k hands ) poker carreer ♠_frown:

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I agree that suited connectors should only be defended 120BB deep. Plus 3bet 6% from blinds isn't that high, if it was 10% then I would consider defending since we need more air in his range for us to float/bluff raise profitably.

On the flop, obviously villian is giving up often on such a board. But from my experience at NL100, people seldom check/fold in 3bet pots. They almost always cbet with air and when they check, more than half the time they are going for a checkraise with overpairs.

So I think checkback flop should be the best play to not get blown off our hand. I won't be too worried about free cards since our hand is not that strong in the first place.

Originally posted by sweetmoncicak
3) If I bet flop he can call me with some hand which has mediocre SD value - e.g. 99,88,66. He can also call me speculatively with overcards.
4) Plus here in this situation he may have some draws. I want him to pay me off with the draws.

u are playing against a reg. du u think he will 3bet 66-99 preflop? what kind of draws do u think he has on such a flop in a 3bet pot?

--> I have the hand with value on flop but which is very vulnerable if I let free cards roll. I don´t mind to win the pot on the flop.

but its not a strong hand.
weak made hand -> small pots
strong hands -> big pots
easy as that.

Thanks. Yes - please explain in more detail. I am not betting the flop to get called by worse hands. I bet flop mostly to protect my hand

there are overall 2 options why u bet:
1. u wanna get called by worse hands -> value bet
2. u wanna fold out better hands -> bluff
note: there is NO protection bet. what u might call a "protection bet" is a value bet. a draw is not a madehand. if u bet, and villian calls with his fd, u bet for value, cause ur hand is better than the fd.

if u dont think u will get called by worse hands (and better hands will NEVER fold here) its just burning money on the flop.

i hope i made it clear. if not, i tried my best to do so

mhmm, makes sense. He would probably C-bet air so he may be on c/r mode flop frequently.

I agree I should only bet with strong made hand. That´s true that here I am more in situation either WA/WB. I may pot control and induce the bluff. Still, I can also roll for my 5 outs.

Thanks!

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Yep, Bernie explained it pretty well (and he obviously read BalugaWhale's book ;)).

Originally posted by Bierbaer
Yep, Bernie explained it pretty well (and he obviously read BalugaWhale's book ;)).

thx, but i didnt read it

Originally posted by bernie0303

1. u wanna get called by worse hands -> value bet
2. u wanna fold out better hands -> bluff
note: there is NO protection bet. what u might call a "protection bet" is a value bet. a draw is not a madehand. if u bet, and villian calls with his fd, u bet for value, cause ur hand is better than the fd.

if u dont think u will get called by worse hands (and better hands will NEVER fold here) its just burning money on the flop.

i hope i made it clear. if not, i tried my best to do so

This! it s a bit more difficult on higher lims, but understanding this is by far most important here.