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I was the current chipleader with 21 people left and then this hand showed up:

Table '47919904 4' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: math > heart (4320 in chips)
Seat 2: SchumiSRM (24660 in chips)
Seat 3: Nogatsira (25836 in chips)
Seat 5: Jeff Bonarek (12321 in chips)
Seat 6: Ubbegubbe (4768 in chips)
Seat 7: cherylxman (6072 in chips)
Seat 8: mnyfrnthn (6065 in chips)
Seat 9: Pentagruel (23064 in chips)
Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
(Ante: t50)
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with J♥ T♥
4 folds, CO raises to t1500, Hero calls t1500 (pot was t2800), SB calls t1200 (pot was t4300), BB folds.

Flop: T♣ 3♥ 4♣ (t5500, 3 players)
SB checks, CO bets t3600, Hero raises to t9600, SB folds, CO raises all-in t23110, Hero ?


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HoRRoR
Joined: 11.02.2005

fold preflop

if you play this way, you obviously have to call, but it's a fold preflop, your hand is often dominated

AJ, KJ, QJ, AT, KT, QT, AA, KK, QQ, JJ

all these hands will get a nice payout against you, if you hit top pair or something ;)


HoRRoR
Joined: 11.02.2005

well don't get me wrong, it should be a fold after this all-in raise, but it should be a fold preflop too, if you play it and hit top pair you have to stick with it, because what are you hoping to hit after calling his raise?

top pair or better you hit like 3.45% of the time

so your decision was call raise and stick with it, if you hit top pair or better or fold preflop

but you obviously are behind :)

well long text, i am a little bit confused right now, but just two words

FOLD PREFLOP ;)


I think I should fold it preflop next time :)
I thought he might be making a move here since he could be raising any 2 cards first in as CO.

How about fold preflop or raise/fold preflop instead of having doubts on the flop?


Is that also a fold if it's TJ two-suited?

(should only be answered by HoRRoR)


HoRRoR
Joined: 11.02.2005

two suited could have two flushdraws on this board, so how can you even think about folding? :O


Originally posted by HoRRoR
two suited could have two flushdraws on this board, so how can you even think about folding? :O

Scarily, I sometimes had thoughts along those lines before I was playing with real money.


Originally posted by HoRRoR
two suited could have two flushdraws on this board, so how can you even think about folding? :O

And thats why AKo > AKs!


tgrb68
Joined: 11.01.2007

Originally posted by Nogatsira
I think I should fold it preflop next time :)
I thought he might be making a move here since he could be raising any 2 cards first in as CO.

How about fold preflop or raise/fold preflop instead of having doubts on the flop?

Hi.

being in your shoes, i would have tried to see the position on the eyes of the CO.....
when the action comes to the CO, he has the chip leader on his left, and two more players, one with a M factor of little less than 4 as BB (under a lot of pressure feeling the blinds are eating him alive) and the other with a M factor of little more than 9 (begining to feel the pressure too). being the CO, second place of the chip count, and with a M factor of 18 .... is it wise to try to steal the blinds with marginal cards? imo its very unlikely unless i have him as a very agressive player. so i would have put him as he got good cards, cards that he will take further a stealing attempt.

btw, just in case, the M factor is the number of chips you need to stay one round in the table.... 9*50antes + 300SB + 600 BB = 1350 chips in this case. this comes from the HOH books, and if you like tourneys and Sit'n'go its a must have, they are worth every penny spent.

Lets say you come to the conclusion that he's stealing the blinds, now its your time to act. you still have 2 players to come, one of them (seat 6) is under lots of pressure so if he hits any pair, Ax, Kx he will probably move all in..... ask yourself "am i willing to play my JTs for 1/5 of my stack?" imo its too risky, you are the chip leader so wait for better cards and in the mean time watch them tear each other apart :)