[Closed] JJ vs tightish player

if he is unknown then ... well played i think

Call flop. Can't raise for value or bluff. If your ahead, there is only a small chance of being outdrawn. If behind, you have a decent change of outdrawing villian and don't want to raise/fold with ok equity.

Originally posted by johnbeattie85
Call flop. Can't raise for value or bluff. If your ahead, there is only a small chance of being outdrawn. If behind, you have a decent change of outdrawing villian and don't want to raise/fold with ok equity.

This guy was playing tight when i was playing with him, and if i just flat the flop and he leads at the turn again, i'm in the same situation not knowing wether i'm ahead or not.

isn't floating an option since we have position ? I'm quite sure we're ahead of Qx hands with no spades, also we're still drawing against a small made flush - 54s -> T9s

Originally posted by DecMate

This guy was playing tight when i was playing with him, and if i just flat the flop and he leads at the turn again, i'm in the same situation not knowing wether i'm ahead or not.

Well yeah. This is a debate some players have.

My opinion– In any situation where you raise purely for information, calling is always more +EV if you play decently against villains range. Raising for information can only be justified on the expectation that you will make large mistakes on future streets by calling. I think this is a bad way to approach poker, + you will never learn to navigate tricky situations.

So here:

Villains flop continuing range might be Ax:spade:, flushes Qx, sets. If you raise and get 3bet, you have your information and know you're crushed, but allow villain to play perfectly and don't get the change to realise your equity.

If you call the flop instead, you basically just have to figure out what villain is doing on the turn. This can be really tricky sometimes. You said he was tight, I'm fine with assuming his turn betting range is much narrower than flop donking range, and finding a fold if the turn blanks.

hi,

Originally posted by johnbeattie85
Call flop. Can't raise for value or bluff. If your ahead, there is only a small chance of being outdrawn. If behind, you have a decent change of outdrawing villian and don't want to raise/fold with ok equity.

Originally posted by johnbeattie85

Originally posted by DecMate

This guy was playing tight when i was playing with him, and if i just flat the flop and he leads at the turn again, i'm in the same situation not knowing wether i'm ahead or not.

Well yeah. This is a debate some players have.

My opinion– In any situation where you raise purely for information, calling is always more +EV if you play decently against villains range. Raising for information can only be justified on the expectation that you will make large mistakes on future streets by calling. I think this is a bad way to approach poker, + you will never learn to navigate tricky situations.

So here:

Villains flop continuing range might be Ax:spade:, flushes Qx, sets. If you raise and get 3bet, you have your information and know you're crushed, but allow villain to play perfectly and don't get the change to realise your equity.

If you call the flop instead, you basically just have to figure out what villain is doing on the turn. This can be really tricky sometimes. You said he was tight, I'm fine with assuming his turn betting range is much narrower than flop donking range, and finding a fold if the turn blanks.

I believe everything has been said

Originally posted by johnbeattie85

Originally posted by DecMate

This guy was playing tight when i was playing with him, and if i just flat the flop and he leads at the turn again, i'm in the same situation not knowing wether i'm ahead or not.

Well yeah. This is a debate some players have.

My opinion– In any situation where you raise purely for information, calling is always more +EV if you play decently against villains range. Raising for information can only be justified on the expectation that you will make large mistakes on future streets by calling. I think this is a bad way to approach poker, + you will never learn to navigate tricky situations.

So here:

Villains flop continuing range might be Ax:spade:, flushes Qx, sets. If you raise and get 3bet, you have your information and know you're crushed, but allow villain to play perfectly and don't get the change to realise your equity.

If you call the flop instead, you basically just have to figure out what villain is doing on the turn. This can be really tricky sometimes. You said he was tight, I'm fine with assuming his turn betting range is much narrower than flop donking range, and finding a fold if the turn blanks.

Yeah ok point taken, instead of raising the flop i can get the same information by seeing what line he takes on the turn, instead of raising and wasting cash. Thanks for the reply