[Closed] FD+gutshot on the flop - few steps from the FT

Complete from SB with your stack is bad, you stack is too small, you are burning chips, folding is the best line here and the only one. With the bigger stack (>25bbs) complete is the best option, i do this with very wide range, and QTs is top range here.

On the flop you are going broke no matter what but... in this situation i prefer to lead here ~1/2 pot. There is small chance that any one bet here with 3 people with air and you c/r it profitably and take it on the flop but this is option too, you draw is so huge...
But i prefer to bet 1/2pot and call a shove. You dont want to check it down to the turn because you lose your great flop equity and your hand isnt so great now.

As played, you have easy call with 13-14bbs with your huge draw.

i strongly disagree with the person above me, i would not ever call that bet. he bets 3 times the potsize WTF?!!? That's a horrible play imo. So basicaly there are 4 thing that he could have

1 He has a hand like A-J and doesn't want someone with a flush draw to see cheap cards. So by calling it your doing exactly what he wants.

2 He has a monster like JJ, 88 OR 44 and doesn't want to let you draw cheap.

3 He has a flushdraw. vs A-K of diamonds your even more hopelessly behind then vs JJ.

4 he's a fucking donkey and is bluffing.

If you count all the outs you probably have, you got 3 for the Queen, 9 for the diamonds and 4 for the three 9s you would make a straight with. Although that is really at most though, and the other players could easily have like 5-6 of those outs making your draw look not so good.I looked it up in a poker odds calculator and my guess right. 16 outs is a coinflip(53% vs A-J of spades). So your basicaly risking your whole tournament on a coinflip. If he has trips you only have about 33% to win.

I just don't see why you would risk your whole tournament on a coinflip at best, Personally i hate going all in with draws. It's very unlikely the other players don't have a few diamonds or a 9 making your chances to win even lower.
You can fold preflop, but i don't think it's bad to see a flop cheaply. I would check flop like you did, you basicaly still only have a Q high or if a player bets and is a tight player who can fold hands you could reraise it all in, you would still have quit a few outs. I'd probably call a bet on the flop if it isn't to big or even reraise it if it's an agressive player who steals alot. But definetly fold it to an all in, it just isn't worth it.

Preflop call is ok. I think on flop both check-raise and bet-call are fine. If you want to be result oriented you should have maybe bet this time :P. I think check-raise probably little better.

I'm NOT calling that shove unless that MP is a huge idiot who is cabable of shipping that flop with something like AK no draws or T9o. Like Hahaownedlolz said, you are not in very good shape against most likely hands he will turn up with.

Originally posted by Anssi
I think on flop both check-raise and bet-call are fine. I think check-raise probably little better
I'm NOT calling that shove unless that MP is a huge idiot who is cabable of shipping that flop with something like AK no draws or T9o. Like Hahaownedlolz said, you are not in very good shape against most likely hands he will turn up with.

as played i agree with this line, i'm never calling a shove here but if i lead out i got to call shove so i agre that check raise is probly litle better

BUT as budzior said i'm not big fan to complete SB with mine stack in that spot becouse situations like this.
Mine standard line in this spot 80% of time is SHOVE PREFLOP and colect dead money (no1 shows strength so far and CO will fold 95% + of time, BB will fold 70%+ of time and the only player i'm woried about is first limper who will fold 60%++ of time imo) so im using mine FEQ and mine pot EQ and doing the right play imo, and if i got called i have decend hand and good EQ and i might double up
and btw i im not giving this guy that tight range for shoving i'm puting him on 99-TT, J8s+, 9d8d, 7d6d, 8d7d and maybe AdKd, i dont think that he will play set like that or over pair QQ+ (couse the board is not that draw to be afraid with his set or over pair)

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Anssi
I think on flop both check-raise and bet-call are fine. I think check-raise probably little better
I'm NOT calling that shove unless that MP is a huge idiot who is cabable of shipping that flop with something like AK no draws or T9o. Like Hahaownedlolz said, you are not in very good shape against most likely hands he will turn up with.

as played i agree with this line, i'm never calling a shove here but if i lead out i got to call shove so i agre that check raise is probly litle better

BUT as budzior said i'm not big fan to complete SB with mine stack in that spot becouse situations like this.
Mine standard line in this spot 80% of time is SHOVE PREFLOP and colect dead money (no1 shows strength so far and CO will fold 95% + of time, BB will fold 70%+ of time and the only player i'm woried about is first limper who will fold 60%++ of time imo) so im using mine FEQ and mine pot EQ and doing the right play imo, and if i got called i have decend hand and good EQ and i might double up
and btw i im not giving this guy that tight range for shoving i'm puting him on 99-TT, J8s+, 9d8d, 7d6d, 8d7d and maybe AdKd, i dont think that he will play set like that or over pair QQ+ (couse the board is not that draw to be afraid with his set or over pair)

#2

best line

9k in pot ... 32k stack
we have hugh FE and if the call, they have PP or KJ or something like that

easy shove

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Anssi
I think on flop both check-raise and bet-call are fine. I think check-raise probably little better
I'm NOT calling that shove unless that MP is a huge idiot who is cabable of shipping that flop with something like AK no draws or T9o. Like Hahaownedlolz said, you are not in very good shape against most likely hands he will turn up with.

as played i agree with this line, i'm never calling a shove here but if i lead out i got to call shove so i agre that check raise is probly litle better

BUT as budzior said i'm not big fan to complete SB with mine stack in that spot becouse situations like this.
Mine standard line in this spot 80% of time is SHOVE PREFLOP and colect dead money (no1 shows strength so far and CO will fold 95% + of time, BB will fold 70%+ of time and the only player i'm woried about is first limper who will fold 60%++ of time imo) so im using mine FEQ and mine pot EQ and doing the right play imo, and if i got called i have decend hand and good EQ and i might double up
and btw i im not giving this guy that tight range for shoving i'm puting him on 99-TT, J8s+, 9d8d, 7d6d, 8d7d and maybe AdKd, i dont think that he will play set like that or over pair QQ+ (couse the board is not that draw to be afraid with his set or over pair)

#2

best line

9k in pot ... 32k stack
we have hugh FE and if the call, they have PP or KJ or something like that

easy shove
sometimes I shove any2 in this spot ... if both call have stats like 30 5 ... its any2 shove for me

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Anssi
I think on flop both check-raise and bet-call are fine. I think check-raise probably little better
I'm NOT calling that shove unless that MP is a huge idiot who is cabable of shipping that flop with something like AK no draws or T9o. Like Hahaownedlolz said, you are not in very good shape against most likely hands he will turn up with.

as played i agree with this line, i'm never calling a shove here but if i lead out i got to call shove so i agre that check raise is probly litle better

BUT as budzior said i'm not big fan to complete SB with mine stack in that spot becouse situations like this.
Mine standard line in this spot 80% of time is SHOVE PREFLOP and colect dead money (no1 shows strength so far and CO will fold 95% + of time, BB will fold 70%+ of time and the only player i'm woried about is first limper who will fold 60%++ of time imo) so im using mine FEQ and mine pot EQ and doing the right play imo, and if i got called i have decend hand and good EQ and i might double up
and btw i im not giving this guy that tight range for shoving i'm puting him on 99-TT, J8s+, 9d8d, 7d6d, 8d7d and maybe AdKd, i dont think that he will play set like that or over pair QQ+ (couse the board is not that draw to be afraid with his set or over pair)

#2

best line

9k in pot ... 32k stack
we have hugh FE and if the call, they have PP or KJ or something like that

easy shove
sometimes I shove any2 in this spot ... if both call have stats like 30 5 ... its any2 shove