[Closed] Problem: stuck in the micros

Originally posted by Ultifanatic
cauelaratta, do you play with a HUD of any kind?

Also, with the hands you posted....first off as someone else mentioned, putting the blinds in before the blind comes around to you shows one glaring leak, which might sound harsh. But if you do not have the disipline to way till the blinds get to you to start playing, then you are already way behind on disipline to play good poker. Being lazy on little things like this lend themselves into being lazy on other little things and all those little things avalanch into much larger problems/leaks that are very hard to overcome at the tables.

As for your posted hands...1st hand withthe 62o. You did not flop the nuts...you bet the pot on the flop with 5 other players in the pot on a very draw heavy board. Not horrible to bet the flop if you have some notion that all those limpers will fold but at the same time did you think that if 1 player calls you the likelyhood that more will call and now you are playing a very large pot with a hand that will not improve? Now for the reraise, what did you put the reraiser on in a limped pot? Not a high PP or AJ+, so most likely a straight draw, flush draw, two pair etc or in this case a better straight that you with a backdoor flush draw. SOmething that sooo many NL4 players with play ALL the time and you will not get them off. Your reraise all in looks like you were thinking about your hand and not his...you have a good made hand on the flop and you deserve the pot...etc.
You can do much better than this hand at the NL4 stakes...KNow to let go and know what they will NOT fold.

Next hand the JJs. YOu bet the JJs large preflop, which is fine. With no stats on the CO in position on you, there is a lot he could be looking to play. With stats you can narrow it down alot...the Flop comes rainbow wich is nice, but it is a the bottom tale end of ALOT of drawing hands. You bet the Flop quite large, when I think a half pot bet will tell you alot here. If they stay you can shut down on the Turn but since you bet large and have only half your stack on the turn it is a much harder decision plus he only has half his stack as well then and can fell the "what the hell factor of the microstakes". But even with the large bet, you get called which should sounds lots of bells from you are way ahead, to you are ahead but in trouble if the Turn connects, to you are WAY behind. Then you fire on the Turn when there is a flush draw, a straight flush draw, a hugh straight draw and tons of 2 pair possibilities. This is when your 80 cents can not push anyone around anymore since the pot is sooo large plus the what the hell factor. This is a major leak in your game i think, since "THE ONLY PLAYER THAT WILL CALL YOU IS BEATING YOU OR CAN EASILY BEAT YOU ON THE FLOP". Even in the micros you have to know what to slow down on your hand.
You can do much better than this with boards like this....

Ok the 99 hand. Hrmmm well my opinion of 9s is that they are evil. They can be great for set mining and they can be a nightmare as well. Up to you to decide if your guy can handle the loses you get with set mining 9s. But this hand, it is real simple. You called an extra 12 cents for no reason. It is a bad play to call a 3bet with 9s at NL4, since 3bets are almost always premium hands or maniacs when you will have a hard time not folding the flop. Set mining against a normal raise at the micros is fine, but trying to out flop JJ+,AQ+ is not easy when that 1 over cards flops. Do not get this fancy at the NL2 stakes, fold your PPs to a Reraise....
You can easily do better which low to mid PPs in a 3bet preflop hand...

Last hand, the AKo. I actually do not see too much wrong with this hand at NL4. I think the worst thing you can do with this hand is what you mentioned in your comments. Stop putting people on draws....start putting people on hand ranges NOT types. A range is the CO could be playing Ax, Axs, 78s+, 22+, JTo+ is what I would figure by not having ANY stats on this villian. He has position, these are MONSTER hands in lots of micro players minds and you have to think he is MORE of a donkey than a good player if you know nothing about them. So with that range, it is possible that he hit on the flop or is still drawing or at the very least is still sitting on an Ace. With your decent flop bet, the A high, the flush and the off suited straight draw is still possible since he called(even to face cards if he is a real donk). The 6 only really helps the off suited straight draw OR the A6 hand. So the Cbet on the turn is fine but it leaves you with nothing on the river, so I would actually just push here or bet something like 0.45 cents. If they did not hit and are not drawing 45 cents will still get them off, if they stay it is definetly a draw which if it does not get there on river by all means fire, if it does by all means shut down or bet small again. My over all gut would most likely be to push on the Turn though...
Better hand but looking for ranges and not hand types will help you alot...

Take 3-5 hands from every session and post them in the hand analysis forum...get some feed back. Write down what people say in a list format. Every time someone tells you something new, write it down to look at before you are playing and after when you are looking at your hands. BUT when you see someone mention something that has been mentioned to you before, mark a HUGE RED X beside that point and when you get 3 red X's you will then know you have a huge leak and you need to deal with it.

A few questions:

On hand 1, the board offers flush and straight draws. I might not be holding the best hand in the long run, but I definitely don´t wanna give up on it either, because the only hand that could have me beat, at that moment, is 67. So I see myself facing 5 opponents. What do I do? Is this a value bet or a protection bet? Should I have just pushed on the flop?

On hand 2, I think the flop bet is a protection bet, so it should be at least pot size. And I also agree the push after the T on the turn is kinda stupid, but I realized micro players often play any two figures and stay in the hand waiting for them to come up. If a Q showed up on the turn, I would have slowed down. Of course, if he had a 9, that would be not good at all. But if he has a T, he thinks that´s too much and calls. And that´s exactly what happened. After all, I think I had a good read in this hand.

As you can see, the thing is it´s hard to guess correctly what´s your opponents ranges in micros. I don´t know many players who would have stayed in the hand with TKo after a 3/4 pot bet. That applies to hand 3 as well. When BB 3-bets, 2 more opponents call, probably with very weak ranges. I should be afraid of higher PPs here, of course, that´s right. I could say BB might be holding one of them, so I take a defensive attitude towards him but then I find out MP3 had pocket aces all along and didn´t 4-bet even though he was facing 3 opponents. These guys are crazy, it´s just so confusing! ♠_confused:

Are you playing poker or playing guessing if opponent is bluffing.Why is so hard to throw away one pair when facing strong play?
Or fold two pairs,trips or straight on suited board.
What do you think,how many times tight opponent bluff you when bet or raise you?
Btw 0.2$ is 10BB but that is not much money people will call and they will play if they flopped something.

Originally posted by ljovej
Are you playing poker or playing guessing if opponent is bluffing.Why is so hard to throw away one pair when facing strong play?
Or fold two pairs,trips or straight on suited board.
What do you think,how many times tight opponent bluff you when bet or raise you?
Btw 0.2$ is 10BB but that is not much money people will call and they will play if they flopped something.

So you think on hand 1 I should have check/called all the streets and folded if a spade came up?

Originally posted by cauelaratta

A few questions:

On hand 1, the board offers flush and straight draws. I might not be holding the best hand in the long run, but I definitely don´t wanna give up on it either, because the only hand that could have me beat, at that moment, is 67. So I see myself facing 5 opponents. What do I do? Is this a value bet or a protection bet? Should I have just pushed on the flop?

On hand 2, I think the flop bet is a protection bet, so it should be at least pot size. And I also agree the push after the T on the turn is kinda stupid, but I realized micro players often play any two figures and stay in the hand waiting for them to come up. If a Q showed up on the turn, I would have slowed down. Of course, if he had a 9, that would be not good at all. But if he has a T, he thinks that´s too much and calls. And that´s exactly what happened. After all, I think I had a good read in this hand.

As you can see, the thing is it´s hard to guess correctly what´s your opponents ranges in micros. I don´t know many players who would have stayed in the hand with TKo after a 3/4 pot bet. That applies to hand 3 as well. When BB 3-bets, 2 more opponents call, probably with very weak ranges. I should be afraid of higher PPs here, of course, that´s right. I could say BB might be holding one of them, so I take a defensive attitude towards him but then I find out MP3 had pocket aces all along and didn´t 4-bet even though he was facing 3 opponents. These guys are crazy, it´s just so confusing! ♠_confused:

For hand 1, you have got to get into a different mindset I think. That mindset is even though you are ahead Preflop or even on the Flop, due to the board texture, the number of villians still in the hand and the range of hands that those villians might be playing...you "may" have to have to change gears from winning the hand to protecting yourself from loses. By either betting smaller to manage the pot, or to stop all betting due to the microstakes fish do not go away in a hand. You are definetly BEAT by 67 at that very moment but with that hand you were holding, you have no outs to improve your hand that only help you and not a villian. Thus, if you can not get the villians(5 of them) of at the flop then you have to look at shutting down. If you do not think you can get all 5 off the flop, then in my opinion, you should look to remove yourself from involvement in that pot unless it gets checked around and the Turn card does not help the flop in away way. Everyone says value bet your made hands, but it should be stated as value bet your TOP made hands that have the ability to improve to the nuts or is already. This hand was not the nuts and could easily be dominated on later streets. Micro stakes is a lot about completely minimizing your loses against fish that do not go away and value betting those same fish when they have a very very small chance to no chance of beating you but still call all the way.

Hand 2 I am talking in generalities while you were there at the time. If you had a good feeling about the texture of the board to the reaction of the villian, thus making you feel ahead on this hand. Which you were at the time, then making this push is just fine. I just want you to be aware of the nastiness of that board and that an Over Pair can lose alot of money at the microstakes untill you get a good quality amout of stats on a villian. In this case, you had a good read, you played it to get the money in the middle and got sucked out on legitimently. The King was just a bad card for you...

The microstakes can seem to be very very confusing. The best approach is like everyone states. Play a good tight positional preflop game, then on the flop re-evaluate the hand based on the F factor(fish factor of playing any two cards) and either proceed with huge value bets when you are so far ahead that even suckout even now and then do not hurt your winrate OR proceed with caution when you do not have the huge hands to minimize the loses of call all street with grabage and hit along the way. This is not a hard concept but with human nature it actually be very hard. Why should you play very tight in position, and not be allowed to take some risky plays like the people in this forum at higher limits or the pros on TV. Simple, you are playing a different style of poker than them and this style has some special rules that apply.

So in your next session....I want you to try to do one thing differently. Well two actually....first is to STOP PUTTING YOUR BLIND IN OUT OF POSITION! LOL
The second is to take an Any Two Card approach. You will play all hands as if the villians can be playing any two cards. If with that in your mind, your hand is still so far ahead that they would need 1-6 outs to beat you, then VALUE BET the crap out of the hand... ♠_biggrin:. BUT if with any two cards in mind, your hand can be already beat OR on the flop, Turn and River it can easily be beat, then slow down, minimize the potential loses, make some notes about those hand outcomes. Then at the end of the session, look things over and try and feel good about the fact that you made money when it counted and you minimized the potential to lose of money in the ahead by a margin hands/sucked out on hands. It will help your mental game, it will help your discipline, it will help your hand reading, it will most certianly help your bankroll.

Thanks for the advice, Ultifanatic. You´re right in a lot of points, specially regarding hand 1. I was only thinking about my hand´s strength at the moment of the flop and totally neglecting what could happen on the turn and river.

One thing I realized trough this self study is that I often get lost in hands that were not raised preflop, since I have a hard time finding out where I stand with my two cards.

Hand 5 is an example. I just call AJo (a strong hand considering micros, but I don´t raise preflop because I don´t want to get involved in a big pot with it -- after all, it is a marginal hand). Flop comes out pretty good, except for the flush draw. I´m OOP with a good hand, but I don´t know where I stand. I bet pretty large (protection?), villain min raises... and I don´t think this hand is worth the risk. How was that?

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$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

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[tg]BU$2.00:///////;SB$1.97:///////;BB (Hero)$3.68:///////;UTG2$2.99:///////;MP1$2.37:///////;MP2$6.18:///////;MP3$2.22:///////;CO$2.07:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BB with A:h, J:c.
UTG2 calls $0.02, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.02, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.07) J:d, 5:c, 2:c (3 players)
Hero bets $0.12, UTG2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.24, Hero folds, MP2 gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $0.19.

Thanks a lot,

C.

P.S.: fine, I will stop posting dead blinds!

Originally posted by cauelaratta

Originally posted by ljovej
Are you playing poker or playing guessing if opponent is bluffing.Why is so hard to throw away one pair when facing strong play?
Or fold two pairs,trips or straight on suited board.
What do you think,how many times tight opponent bluff you when bet or raise you?
Btw 0.2$ is 10BB but that is not much money people will call and they will play if they flopped something.

So you think on hand 1 I should have check/called all the streets and folded if a spade came up?

Try to guess.

Well... I've been playing poker for a little bit more than 30 days up to now and I have already felt just like our friend about micro stakes. I also watch tons of videos, never miss the Sunday Million and SCOOP finals, etc, etc. I like to learn by observing the best. Nice.

But I noticed something. You don't enter micro stakes because you're keeping an eye on the profits made on it. You know why? Because these micro profits have to build up bit by bit very slowly in your bankroll in order to move up limits. That's not the kind of profit that will buy you a car or something right away. Making the most money using the right strategy is the point, but the money made is not going to be *THE* huge money.

I play micro stakes to correct the leaks and develop the essential skills that I know are going to be necessary in higher and more profitable levels. It means acquiring efficiency and good judgement. I don't need the profits made up from micro stakes for my live (in a cash-out), but I need them for my bankroll, and I know they take a while to accumulate.

I think we all have to go through the fishes, being rivered by backdoor flushes, being beaten by low pairs that turn into full houses in the river, etc. It happened to me in those micro stakes tables when I was holding like KK or AK, AQ, etc. Fish/donk luck that made me lose 1 BI on a single hand. And why?

To correct the leaks and acquire the good judgement. After that the higher levels will come and profits grow more or less exponential.

I have ... perhaps had such problem.. from I made myself a rule if I incrase my bankroll from 42 to 68 USD I will move up a limit, then I played 27plrs sng's and 05-02 cash.. moved up to 150 then got my first downswing...bankroll management helped me lose less than 40$. This time I played TAG.. It was hard to move my BR to 200$.. well, I did it playing TAG and a bit, in some spots loose.

Now I was stuck in 5-10c cash.. and understood that TAG is not profitable that much, so I became testing skills... variance rose up as hell! tho.. finally found a key, I guess... and then played 01 02c cash to just see if it works there... it does.
--> What I think IMHO that position in Micro stakes is not that much matters, people raise ATs/o from EP as from BU. So.. play ur suited connectors aggressively, but tricky. call 3-4bets with 67s but throw out KQo.. also play any pairs 22+ in hole and call re-raises with them, but do not get crazy.. watch opponents and see their patterns.

Get the f* out of the tapbe if u gained 3.50-4.2USD.. in my experience it's rare that u will gain more! - this was my crucial mistake from what I was stuck.

Hope I helped you and tell me if I helped ya.

Yeah.. If you lose 2 buy-ins (4$) in 300hands in sum (no matter how many tables ) change ur game...

Peace

This is the micros .. the villian calls flop with back door flush draw .

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[tg]BB$2.40:///////;UTG2$5.17:///////;MP1$0.70:///////;MP2$2.00:///////;MP3$2.00:///////;CO$4.90:///////;BU$3.10:///////;SB (Hero)$2.16:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3:h, J:h.
UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, BU calls $0.02, Hero folds, BB raises to $0.12, MP1 calls $0.10, BU folds.

Flop: ($0.27) J:c, 8:d, 8:h (2 players)
BB bets $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16.

Turn: ($0.59) 6:h (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($0.59) 9:h (2 players)
BB bets $0.40, MP1 raises to $0.42, BB calls $0.02.

Final Pot: $1.43.
Results follow:

BB shows a pair of eights(K:s A:d).
MP1 shows a straight flush, nine high(7:h 5:h).

MP1 wins with a straight flush, nine high(7:h 5:h).

Now get this ... HERE IS MY HAND VS THE VILLIAN
What did I do wrong ? Can someone here please help me to play better against this type of player .. Should I fold this hand to his all in ? I had fold equity .. please guys help me to not lose all the time .

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[tg]SB$2.00:///////;BB$3.31:///////;UTG1$5.19:///////;UTG2$0.80:///////;MP1$2.00:///////;MP2$2.00:///////;MP3$4.87:///////;CO$3.08:///////;BU (Hero)$2.04:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with A:h, A:c.
UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, UTG2 raises to $0.80, CO folds, Hero calls $0.64.

Flop: ($1.65) 5:d, 6:h, 7:s (2 players)

Turn: ($1.65) J:d (2 players)

River: ($1.65) 9:c (2 players)

Final Pot: $1.65.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of aces(A:h A:c).
UTG2 shows a straight, nine high(K:s 8:s).

UTG2 wins with a straight, nine high(K:s 8:s).

So after this bs i decide , ok im not making money here variance is way too high and I cant control it against these donks.

However I can control it in LIMIT poker .

I minimize my loss here check calling down . There is no value in my raising just a pair when he could have 2 pair or trips and im definately not folding my aces .

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$0.05/$0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:c, A:h.
MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero 3-Bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.4 SB) 3:h, T:s, K:s (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6.2 BB) 2:s (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.2 BB) 9:h (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.2 BB.
Results follow:

MP3 shows a flush, ace high(A:s J:s).
Hero shows a pair of aces(A:c A:h).

MP3 wins with a flush, ace high(A:s J:s).

Then here .. well i maximize my winnings here with a superior hand which is better than just AA

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$0.05/$0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6:c, 5:c.
MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, BU folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8:d, 4:c, 9:c (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4:h (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) Q:c (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-Bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB.
Results follow:

Hero shows a flush, queen high(6:c 5:c).
SB shows three of a kind, fours(K:d 4:d).

Hero wins with a flush, queen high(6:c 5:c).

So I guess what Im trying to say , is Limit poker is better for making money than No limit

Originally posted by Grailer
This is the micros .. the villian calls flop with back door flush draw .

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[tg]BB$2.40:///////;UTG2$5.17:///////;MP1$0.70:///////;MP2$2.00:///////;MP3$2.00:///////;CO$4.90:///////;BU$3.10:///////;SB (Hero)$2.16:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with 3:h, J:h.
UTG2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, 3 folds, BU calls $0.02, Hero folds, BB raises to $0.12, MP1 calls $0.10, BU folds.

Flop: ($0.27) J:c, 8:d, 8:h (2 players)
BB bets $0.16, MP1 calls $0.16.

Turn: ($0.59) 6:h (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($0.59) 9:h (2 players)
BB bets $0.40, MP1 raises to $0.42, BB calls $0.02.

Final Pot: $1.43.
Results follow:

BB shows a pair of eights(K:s A:d).
MP1 shows a straight flush, nine high(7:h 5:h).

MP1 wins with a straight flush, nine high(7:h 5:h).

Now get this ... HERE IS MY HAND VS THE VILLIAN
What did I do wrong ? Can someone here please help me to play better against this type of player .. Should I fold this hand to his all in ? I had fold equity .. please guys help me to not lose all the time .

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$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

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[tg]SB$2.00:///////;BB$3.31:///////;UTG1$5.19:///////;UTG2$0.80:///////;MP1$2.00:///////;MP2$2.00:///////;MP3$4.87:///////;CO$3.08:///////;BU (Hero)$2.04:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is BU with A:h, A:c.
UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $0.02, 3 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, UTG2 raises to $0.80, CO folds, Hero calls $0.64.

Flop: ($1.65) 5:d, 6:h, 7:s (2 players)

Turn: ($1.65) J:d (2 players)

River: ($1.65) 9:c (2 players)

Final Pot: $1.65.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of aces(A:h A:c).
UTG2 shows a straight, nine high(K:s 8:s).

UTG2 wins with a straight, nine high(K:s 8:s).

So after this bs i decide , ok im not making money here variance is way too high and I cant control it against these donks.

However I can control it in LIMIT poker .

I minimize my loss here check calling down . There is no value in my raising just a pair when he could have 2 pair or trips and im definately not folding my aces .

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$0.05/$0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:c, A:h.
MP2 calls, MP3 raises, Hero 3-Bets, 3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.4 SB) 3:h, T:s, K:s (3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls, MP2 folds.

Turn: (6.2 BB) 2:s (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

River: (8.2 BB) 9:h (2 players)
MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10.2 BB.
Results follow:

MP3 shows a flush, ace high(A:s J:s).
Hero shows a pair of aces(A:c A:h).

MP3 wins with a flush, ace high(A:s J:s).

Then here .. well i maximize my winnings here with a superior hand which is better than just AA

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$0.05/$0.1 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6:c, 5:c.
MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, BU folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8:d, 4:c, 9:c (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 4:h (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (8 BB) Q:c (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-Bets, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB.
Results follow:

Hero shows a flush, queen high(6:c 5:c).
SB shows three of a kind, fours(K:d 4:d).

Hero wins with a flush, queen high(6:c 5:c).

So I guess what Im trying to say , is Limit poker is better for making money than No limit

PASS THE QUIZ THEN COME BACK

Im going to be serious and help you out .

Don't play NL micros

Too many idiots ..

Either a) do tournys where the donks get out in first hand

b) Play limit poker about 15/30 is good but even that limit lots of donks
'

The money is good and NL is highly variable , Ive lost with AA KK KK today everytime today to people who go all in with 77 99 etc and suck out trips.
I guess everyone thinks everyone has AK at micros.

I mean lol check this out ... I couldve won more from this guy here but well I guess i dont 3 bet turn river unles I had the trips.

I donk bet him every street tho lol

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$0.15/$0.3 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A:c, A:h.
MP2 folds, MP3 raises, 3 folds, Hero 3-Bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.46666666667 SB) Q:d, 5:c, 9:d (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero 3-Bets, MP3 caps, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.23333333333 BB) 2:s (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

River: (12.2333333333 BB) T:h (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.2333333333 BB.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of aces(A:c A:h).
MP3 shows a pair of queens(K:c Q:c).

Hero wins with a pair of aces(A:c A:h).

Look Grailer, this is a thread about adapting the game to the micros. I try to base it on deeper self study, not on random hand posting that brings no discussion at all.

You are welcome to help on the thread by posting suggestions, but if all you have to say is "don't play micros", then I think you shouldn't post anything at all.

So please, next time you post a hand, try to analyse it and come up with a question or some kind of hipothesis. There are plenty of great players in PS that will help us, micro players, work on our game.

Thx a lot,

C.

Originally posted by cauelaratta
Look Grailer, this is a thread about adapting the game to the micros. I try to base it on deeper self study, not on random hand posting that brings no discussion at all.

You are welcome to help on the thread by posting suggestions, but if all you have to say is "don't play micros", then I think you shouldn't post anything at all.

So please, next time you post a hand, try to analyse it and come up with a question or some kind of hipothesis. There are plenty of great players in PS that will help us, micro players, work on our game.

Thx a lot,

C.

Excellent point, well made, cauelaratta.

I'd bring everyone's attention to the forum rules prohibiting spam:

Rule 2: No spam

Spam messages are posts that are off-topic, have no information content or are destructive and therefore interfere with a discussion or thread. 

Deliberate and ongoing posts that derail legitimate discussion may lead to further action being taken against those members. I'd ask that all members attempt to ensure that their posts remain on topic and contribute to the discussion of the subject at hand.

Grailer, cauelaratta has articulated legitimate concerns with your post. These concerns could equally be applied to a number of posts you have made in recent threads. Can I please ask you to make sure you abide by forum rules with your future posts?

Many thanks and kind regards.

Waiboy.

I haven't read all comments on this.

But i recently went back to NL2 to see if i can beat it now (I never really played NL2, started with FL) and i found out that i can achieve enormously winrates. So everything i thought back then: The microstakes are pure luck, unbeatable, ec... were 'unfortunately' not true. I had to face one bitter thing: Back then i just was not good enough to capitalize on all sorts of mistakes player make.

If you (or anyone else) are interested in help/mentoring (by a player that only plays NL25 himself) contact me via skype thebigheizung.

Originally posted by thebigheizung85
I haven't read all comments on this.

But i recently went back to NL2 to see if i can beat it now (I never really played NL2, started with FL) and i found out that i can achieve enormously winrates. So everything i thought back then: The microstakes are pure luck, unbeatable, ec... were 'unfortunately' not true. I had to face one bitter thing: Back then i just was not good enough to capitalize on all sorts of mistakes player make.

If you (or anyone else) are interested in help/mentoring (by a player that only plays NL25 himself) contact me via skype thebigheizung.

doing that right now!

Originally posted by thebigheizung85
But i recently went back to NL2 to see if i can beat it now (I never really played NL2, started with FL) and i found out that i can achieve enormously winrates. So everything i thought back then: The microstakes are pure luck, unbeatable, ec... were 'unfortunately' not true. I had to face one bitter thing: Back then i just was not good enough to capitalize on all sorts of mistakes player make.

This is such an excellent post and so true. I used to think all the NL10 players were just utterly terrible and that it was a huge luck fest.

What was really the case was that I was just utterly terrible.

I'm in the same position.. I find I play better when im not multi tabling, I guess im more focused as to what is happening.. But i'm just so bored.. Multi tabling keeps me tight

But when i do multi table (4 tables) i always find myself busting out on the bubble, and most of the time making 3rd place in two out of four of them.

I can never finish, I need to properly learn how to steal/re-steal blinds i guess.

Time to get to some reading i suppose (Y)

This is such an excellent post and so true. I used to think all the NL10 players were just utterly terrible and that it was a huge luck fest.

What was really the case was that I was just utterly terrible.

Can you remember what you changed in your game since then? What kind of mistakes you used to make? Or are those too specific to put in general lines?

For example, last night I realized i usually play bet/push when I hit TPTK or overpair on the flop (and it's not draw heavy), and that has not been very profitable. So now I think maybe I should play bet/fold or even bet/call when in position.

But that's just a general hipothesis, and it's kinda hard to prove it right or wrong by myself, since every hand is a different hand. There is so much factors involved in a decision that it's hard to come up with a solid almost-always-true rule.

But, anyway, if you can answer my question, I'd be very grateful!

Thx a lot,

C.

couple of hands from today session..

Hand 6: this is the kind of situation where I don´t know exactly how to play. Where do I stand with my nines? Vbet, protection bet, pot control, which one should I stick to?

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP3$3.05:///////;CO (Hero)$2.62:///////;BU$1.07:///////;SB$2.12:///////;BB$2.00:///////;MP2$2.18:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9:c, 9:d.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.02, BU calls $0.02, SB calls $0.01, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.08) 4:s, 3:d, 5:c (4 players)
SB bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, BU folds.

Turn: ($0.32) 6:d (3 players)
SB bets $0.31, BB folds, Hero folds, SB gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $0.32.

Hand 7: no comment about this one.

By the way, how big a vbet should be? I usually bet between 1/3 and 2/3 pot size, depending on how safe the board is.

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.01/$0.02 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BB$2.12:///////;UTG2$1.90:///////;MP1$2.19:///////;MP2$2.83:///////;MP3$1.97:///////;CO$2.00:///////;BU$2.00:///////;SB (Hero)$2.20:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with A:h, A:c.
2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.04, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.12, BB folds, MP2 calls $0.08.

Flop: ($0.26) Q:h, 2:c, 8:s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12.

Turn: ($0.5) 3:s (2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, MP2 raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.96, MP2 calls $1.48.

River: ($4.42) 6:h (2 players)

Final Pot: $4.42.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of aces(A:h A:c).
MP2 shows three of a kind, threes(3:d 3:h).

MP2 wins with three of a kind, threes(3:d 3:h).