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[Closed] Early phase - Betsizing KK vs unknown (WPT Quali)

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888 Poker WPT Qualifier No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players

MP2: t3000 150 BBs
CO: t3110 155.50 BBs
BTN: t2930 146.50 BBs
SB: t2980 149 BBs
Hero (BB): t3000 150 BBs
UTG: t3000 150 BBs
UTG+1: t3000 150 BBs
UTG+2: t3340 167 BBs
MP1: t2640 132 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K :heart: K :club:
3 folds, MP1 raises to t110, 4 folds, Hero raises to t340, MP1 calls t230

Flop: (t690) 8 :diamond: 6 :diamond: Q :club: (2 players)
Hero bets t517, MP1 calls t517

Turn: (t1724) 6 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets t1293, MP1 calls t1293

River: (t4310) A :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets t490 & is All in, Hero calls t490

Background:

Early on in WPT qualifier, cheap buyin (I qualified for free), 160 entries with just 1x seat available to winner only.
n.b. I don't use any software, relying on own reads instead (personal choice & practice for live events).

Opponent:

Whilst early phase of tournament, played against this guy in other tournaments. He likes to play a lot of hands, usually limping but also raises at least once or twice a circuit, seen making some daft moves occasionally.

My thought process at the time

Preflop: Pretty standard, i.e. going to raise up any limpers or raises from MP+, would raise up any EP raise unless known reg in which case may consider call and then check/raise flop for info/value.
As it happens I get 1x raise from MP from known guy who likes to see a lot of hands, raise is a little large but not unusual for this guy, happy days. Standard 3 bet. At this stage he could have anything, but as he raised rather than limp, suggest Ax, KQ, 22+ or suited connectors.

Postflop: As two to the flush and oop going to lead out and be happy with taking pot down here & now or get value from any fd hunters. Bet 3/4 pot.
Call suggests he has something, possibly AQ, FD or more likely mid pair calling for value with only 1x overcard on board.

Turn: Turn is ugly pairing board and now double flushed. If I check here, this guy is going to bet 90% of time anyway and I still won't be any the wiser. Still feel I'm ahead so lead out again. 3/4 pot.

River: Worse possible card. Any ace now beats me as does diamonds. Whilst trip Q's, 6's and 8's are unlikely can't be totally discounted. Feel check is the best option and re-evaluate again depending on villan's action.
Villan pushes all in (10% pot), pretty committed and a call leaves me with 18bb behind, enough to survive and build up on or push/fold if I lose.

Villan has ?? and I win?/lose? hand.

Qu. Did I overplay this, betting 3/4 pot sizes on a dangerous board? or was I right to play aggressive in a game where only 1 in 160 qualify?

Qu. What is the correct bet sizing in this situation? Should I pot-control more to give myself an out if it gets messy?

Qu. Would you play this differently if it were a normal (10% cash) tournament?

Thoughts and advice very much welcomed. Thanks for reading :P

Bart


6 replies

Shouldn't make any difference to theory, but this is the equivalent of a $1 buyin tournament, but with a prize package of $1k+ (flights, hotel & live satellite to WPT Morocco m/e), so nice added value :)

Cheers,

Bart


these salties can become bingo games sometimes

as played would bet bit less on flop & on turn think the card is good for your hand , betting 3/4 you are making yourself pot commited so would shove here , even betting half pot your pretty much pot commited

river is a bad card for your hand & hits large part of his range but you just got to pay him off


alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008

I'd 3bet preflop slightly bigger. 400 (around 3.5x) looks fine to me OOP.

I like the big flop bet if you are planning to shove the turn with 1 PSB left.

edit : spelling :f_mad:


stealyourblinds
Joined: 20.01.2010

Nice hand imo,

I like the 3/4 bet on the flop because on low levels most players like to chase the flush, even if you bet the pot, so lets them pay hard.
On the turn I would maybe shove as your oponent is already comited if he calls (as well as you), although he is more likely to call you the way you bet, and then you have to call him on the river independently of what comes.


larseda
Joined: 06.08.2006

preflop bit more size ... maybe 350
then I push the turn, but it dont make much difference

turn is drawy so u should bet it ... on dry board u chould c/c it


Thanks everyone, great advice and very much appreciated.

I've got a few more tricky situations from other tourneys which I'll post shortly.

Many thanks,

Bart