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tarantaleo
Joined: 07.07.2010

well , we just got into the money and there're a little less than 50 players , we got over averаge stack and with a good chance to cash good , because there's a lot of donkeys and weak players... so what i thought when i played this hand:
i didnt want to put my whole stack in situation that i practically don't have made hand and i know i'm behind so i need help by the river when we have invested arround 1/8 of our stack in the hand so far and we are vs. two players , maybe they hold a few of our outs...

i guess there's some mistakes in the hand , so comment from the preflop.
CO with a stats 29/29 over 15 hand and BTN with stats 28/17 over 115 hands.

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CO: t29661 M = 10.99
BTN: t47132 M = 17.46
SB: t12460 M = 4.61
Hero (BB): t47270 M = 17.51
UTG: t7067 M = 2.62
MP: t85410 M = 31.63

Pre Flop: (t2700) Hero is BB with J :spade: K :spade:
2 folds, CO raises to t2890, BTN calls t2890, 1 fold, Hero calls t1690

Flop: (t10170) K :club: 3 :heart: T :spade: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t3690, BTN calls t3690, Hero calls t3690

Turn: (t21240) Q♠(3 players)
Hero checks, CO requests TIME, CO bets t14400, BTN raises to t40402 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: t50040

the other hand where my chances for good cash were practically blown...:

there are around 20 players , were in the top 10.
he's 28/18 for 90 hands , and lot of steal and agg frequency on the flop only.
well i still think i had plenty of fold equity and equity to win the hand so i thought it was right move , but want to ask to be sure...
i thought there is almost no way he's got set , and with hand like A4 / K6 ( which i'm not sure he would have called...) has no way to call , so i thought he would only call me with 77-99 or maybe nuts fd with 2 overcards so i decided to move AI since i didnt think there was a way just to call there...

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MP: t98403 M = 10.93
Hero (CO): t143445 M = 15.94
BTN: t157618 M = 17.51
SB: t51100 M = 5.68
BB: t94952 M = 10.55
UTG: t170372 M = 18.93

Pre Flop: (t9000) Hero is CO with T :heart: K :heart:
2 folds, Hero raises to t10000, 2 folds, BB calls t6000

Flop: (t25000) 4 :diamond: 6 :heart:2 :heart: (2 players)
BB bets t25000, Hero raises to t132945 all in, BB calls t59452 all in

Final Pot: t193904


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dubadal
Joined: 05.09.2008

I'm surprised you are folding the first one - CO range is pretty wide, so you are likely even ahead of him on turn, with 2nd nut flush + oesd draws, as well as top pair and a decent kicker. CO may be very well overplaying K9, J10 etc.

BTN hand is more difficult, as he could very well be slow-playing KK/QQ pf, against which you are a dog, with him drawing to a full-house and blocking a couple of your outs.

In 2nd hand I suppose he could be sitting with any small-middle pair as you mention or even Ax :heart:, which is not pretty in any case. As he has quite a decent stack, he could be defending BB with suited 46, 35 etc.

Size of his bet is also slightly awkward - he bets pot into a relatively safe board (for him, if he hit), assuming that you tried to steal pre-flop with A9o+, K10o+ etc.

With so many hands being in a better shape than you, I would prefer to call his flop bet and re-evaluate on turn, since by calling flop and demonstrating strength you might actually shut him down and get a chance to float on turn or river.

Also important is that you are risking 2/3rds of your stack here, being a dog or a flip at best in most cases.


Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

first hand
I gave them ranges
you get 30% at least. I guess with deadmoney and 1 player folding its +ev
and i like the call on the flop.

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Board: Kc Ts 3h Qs
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Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
Spieler 1: 30.521 % 27.191 % 6.954 % 65.855 % KsJs
Spieler 2: 33.312 % 29.989 % 6.938 % 63.073 % TT+, AKs, AJs, KTs+, Ks9s, QTs+, AKo, AJo, KQo, KTo, QTo+
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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

2nd hand
he bets pretty big which he would normally doesn't with a set. So i would give him random overcards, flushdraws or midpairs...
I guess with a little bit of fold equity and 2 overcards + fd its a good shove.


Albeback
Joined: 02.03.2009

I am prob pushing my stack in both cases. But I like to gamble in this situations.
Still I think you do have decent equity in both of them and you will find yourself even ahead from time to time.


tarantaleo
Joined: 07.07.2010

Well in the first hand CO showed KT for top two on the flop and BTN showed AJ for straight on the turn( gutshot draw on the flop) the river was deuce of spade and i would win the hand with flush , but i still think it was a close situation...

in the second the opponent made a quick call and showed A2 for btm pair top kicker ( which surprised me more or less...) and i got no help by the turn or river , so remained a little short and finished 17 despite my good expectations for this tourney...

so thanks about the comments.