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[Closed] 400 take a passive line as IR?

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Joenaes
Joined: 18.07.2008

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
9 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Power Poker 94 ($300.60)
UTG+1 sportbeads ($620.20)
MP1 x-sebi-x ($481.50)
MP2 Hero ($641)
MP3 JaniceB ($2,011.95)
CO Sloffy ($400)
BTN jep1405 ($136.20)
SB elves377 ($732.20)
BB picantisimo ($400)

Pre-Flop: ($6, 9 players) Hero is MP2 A♣ Q♠
3 folds, Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, Sloffy calls $14, 2 folds, picantisimo calls $10

Flop: A♥ J♠ K♦ ($44, 3 players)
picantisimo checks, Hero checks, Sloffy bets $30, picantisimo folds, Hero calls $30

Turn: 5♥ ($104, 2 players)
Hero checks, Sloffy bets $76, Hero calls $76

River: 8♥ ($256, 2 players)
Hero checks, Sloffy bets $178, Hero calls $178

Final Pot: $612

Opponent is 12/10/6 with 3.9 overall AF
AFQ of 61/62/43 (F,T,R) over large sample

My reasoning:
The person IP is really aggro so I expect him to bet really wide here after I check as IR. On the turn I let him barrel further cause I also dont think he has too many strong hands here. He would 3bet AK/AA/KK 100% of the time to me (no real squeezers behind) and 75% of the time JJ. So his valuebetting range is pretty narrow: QTs (3combos), KJs (2combos), AJs(1combo), I think he prefers 3betting AJo altho lets give him 50% of AJo as well (3combos), so this are 9 combos. I call because his range is pretty narrow+ I have TP and a gs to the nuts and maybe 3 outs to better hand.
River completes the bdfd which worries me a bit but not too much. I decided to call down but the problem here is: we don't really know what his exact bluffing tendencies are so we have to guess a lot. We are not sure how often he will turn hands as TJ/KQ/KT into a bluff because even after my flop c/c they dont really have sd value. Also will he barrel here with random pp, with TT? Its all guessing and thats why bet F and T is probably better to avoid hard decision?


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TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

:) u ve answered ur questions there pretty well. i like the line a bit more vs just a bad plr, who once its checked to him barells without stopping- many on FR are such coz they just cannot rly play too creatively, but ofc by c/c on F ur hand is well defined as a bluffcatcher and on that T i d say u re mostly committing urself to c/c the R, since its quite obv now that u by far most likely have Ax, coz JT or JQ hands wont rly try to c/c 2x this board at all. Therefore a better plr will rly very rarely bluff u there with this sizing. - this is a very ok spot to overbet here in his position, coz then u re rly hardpressed with ur range, and for him its easily balancable if u were to play vs eachother longer.

So, c/c 3x vs a good plr i deffo dont like, vs an agro monkeyfish its cool tho (there is an icon in HEM i use for these ppl - the monkey with a tongue out, seems to me like a perfect picture for those who just cannot stand not betting ip :) ). Preferably, just rly bet F there to get value from worse Ax or KQ, JT, JQ or some floats with bcd equity possibly. Then c/c on T seems fine vs esp this guy. R is a decision again, but given what u re saying abt PF i d likely c/c again expecting most of the weaker made hands to turn to bluff - more than if i c/c 2x.


Cornie4ever
Joined: 19.04.2009

Originally posted by TheLastNail
the monkey with a tongue out, seems to me like a perfect picture for those who just cannot stand not betting ip :) )

nice1


Spitzbuben
Joined: 10.04.2007

didnt ever think a 12/10 supernit could think as far as " i want to turn my pair into a bluff now cause he has 1 or 2 pair at best. arent the 12/10 guys always like 0.2bb winners and thatfor obvioulsy not capable of thinking further than level 0? i hate fullring and play it rarely but you could teach me a lesson here.


Spitzbuben
Joined: 10.04.2007

and you could teach me some english as well.

should be: havent ever thought in the beginning of the last post right shouldnt it?


TheLastNail
Joined: 30.05.2008

Originally posted by Spitzbuben
didnt ever think a 12/10 supernit could think as far as " i want to turn my pair into a bluff now cause he has 1 or 2 pair at best. arent the 12/10 guys always like 0.2bb winners and thatfor obvioulsy not capable of thinking further than level 0? i hate fullring and play it rarely but you could teach me a lesson here.

i dont think he is thinking with fe JT like "i ll turn my made hand to bluff now" , but like this: "ok so, he betted flop, but now on turn he checks, so that's weakness, i bet with equity and for deception if i hit" and on river: "damn, i missed, i cannot win if i check, so lets bet, maybe he gets scared."