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[Closed] Instructional sample hands #12

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How to play draws/arrived draws correctly?

The poll is differently this time because there is no specific move but a question how you like the both hands. You can select 2 answers because there are 2 hands. (Please don't select wrong and right. ;))

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0.15/0.30 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 3♣, 4♣
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: (4.00 SB) 9♠, 6♥, 5♥ (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 7♥ (3 players)
SB bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 2♦ (3 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

2) Again a hand played by myself. Do you like it? If so why and if not what would you do different?

3/6 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6♥, K♥
MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: (3,00 SB) 7♥, 4♦, 5♥ (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP2 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4,00 BB) 5♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6,00 BB) A♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 6,00 BB

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1) I would raise the flop for a freecard and for initiative. Our hand isn't that strong, since we're on the idiot end, and against a possible flush draw. If SB 3-bets flop, and bets out on this turn I may even fold, since not only the fd has arrived, but any 8 beats us as well.

2) I like the first flop call, but after MP2 raise and SB fold there is no need to try and keep opponents in. You have the second nut fd and an OESD, so even with discounts close to 50% equity. So I would 3-bet flop and bet turn for a combination of value and fold-equity (the fold-equity on the turn)


Smileon
Joined: 21.08.2006

2) IMO this hand is a flop raise. You even want them to call you because of the the chances to hit. On the turn then you got to play a conti bet/fold because of the fold equity. If only one guy called the turn and river down I,d think about a 3rd barrel because of the draw possibilities.


HariRadovan
Joined: 01.04.2007

1) fold preflop: with only one player in the pot and the danger of a raise behind you this call looses money in the long run.
flop: This OESD is much weaker than most since you are drawing to the "idiot end", the 9 :spade: on board strongly devalues your hands and in addition there is a 2-flush on board. I would discount this OESD to maybe 5 outs and I think a fold is correct here, though it is a close decision.
The turn-raise is in order because you have an easy fold if someone 3-bets on this board.

2) The first flop call is good, but after being raised you should clearly reraise. With this terrriffic hand you make money with every bet that goes into the pot on the flop (you make a straight or flush 54% of the time + sometimes win by hitting a King). Your opponent could be raising on a draw and decide to bet again on the turn and river even if he misses. Then the likely result is that he will pick up the pot if you both miss your draw. On the other hand if you reraise here, bet the turn and river even if you miss YOU will be the one who picks up the pot if your opponent is also on a draw.


1. Like HariRadovan said: fold preflop
@HariRadovan: use another color!!

2. I like it. We have a draw to the second nut flush and bdsd. Maybe we split the straight with another 6 but we have enough outs to call. A raise on the flop might kick out MP2 which we don't want.

Btw: How to play the river? Check/call or check/fold? Do we have enough sd value with our K high hand? MP2 could be on a draw as well and bet the river just as a bluff.


1) Indeed it is correct to not raise the turn here because only better hands will stay in. Preflop is a fold also and the flopcall is close but ok because of theimplied odds.

2) Here we better raise the flop because it's an unraised pot preflop so we have great chances to win the pot even unimproved. A cap HU oop is a bad idea because if he 3-bets he often has a hand he won't fold so we lose money if we bet the turn unimproved. Additionally we basicly let him see our holecards if we check the turn after a flop cap so I only would cap the flop in position. Aainst 2 it's for value.
Betting the river ui (if we raise the flop a nd bet the turn) is nothing I would do against these players because they call way to much. With a read this could be a possibility. So I would check/fold here on the river ui.