[Closed] Games to improve your recognition of patterns

Originally posted by EmanuelC16

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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18.7 seconds. ♠_biggrin:

19.441 . I assume better is still doable without really a lot of practice.

I don't think chess, starcraft, warcraft, etc. help poker players with "patern recognition". Otherwise, there should be a lot of great poker players who were go players which is not the case.
I think the premise that these games helps the poker player to be better is simply wrong. There are as many athletes who moved over to poker. I wouldn't make sense for me to say tennis helps you with patern recognition. What makes so many game players (doesn't matter the game, be it tennis, basketball, magic the gather, starcraft, etc.) good poker players is the mind set. In my opninion, what makes the players good at poker is the want to be the best at the game or the enjoyment of competition.

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

It was my dad who sent me the link for this. He claimed that it's used to train US air force pilots, and that they can do it for 2 minutes! Anyone know a US air force pilot?

Originally posted by OZSA
thats why chess players dont tilt, because they learnt how to be patient.

Speaking from experience, just lol. Unless I'm the only one who's ever tilted whilst playing chess.

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

20.523 just after 6 attempts

Originally posted by pkrhag
I don't think chess, starcraft, warcraft, etc. help poker players with "patern recognition".

chess is in a way similar to starcraft, only it has two things - no physical aspect of the game (balancing the speed of your body and mind is very difficult in starcraft) and chess has an open battlefield where all pieces are visible - whereas in starcraft you have to get a "read" on your opponent, use very little info to figure out what's hiding in the darkness of your enemy's side of the map, etc.

(if chess had fog of war it would be equal in that aspect, because the board makes it easy for you to see what options your opponent has, so you only need to get into his mind)

warcraft is like starcraft only without majority of the mind aspect and without 90% of the multitasking and 99% of the macro aspect. so again, putting those two in the same basket is like comparing the mental difficulty of tower defense or dota and chess (obv. chess is 1000x harder)
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as for the advantages a starcraft player has over other people? if you haven't been on top of the food chain at least in the amateur world, you won't understand the game deeply nor be able to use all of its benefits when switching to poker.

with that said, here are some of the basic benefits every sc player can get even if he is just a medium skilled beginner with 1-2years of experience:

1. Mental strength

There is no game out there that will beat the crap out of you over and over again for years without you ever getting a chance of punching back. You have to learn to be a loser and take a beating for quite some time before you finally manage to fight back.

This makes the game very difficult for beginners, because it takes around 3-4 weeks to learn basic strategies and build orders in WC3 and it takes years to learn basic strategies in sc and then a lifetime to master them - actually it's not humanly possible to reach the limit of the game, which is what makes it an endless challenge.

Same goes for poker, even the worst fish will get lucky and win some hands, they'll at least get a chance to catch their breath and enjoy victory - in sc there is just pure brutality, zero luck and no mercy.

So if you survive in sc, chances are you'll have a much easier time dealing with bad beats in poker.

With that said, I have to say the hardest thing for me was to learn that I have no control over the outcome in many hands in poker. It was very hard to learn that you simply can't always win, no matter how much better you are than your opponent.

So this fact kind of erases a part of the benefits coming from sc, because sc doesn't prepare you for the luck factor, it just teaches you to except losses and improve yourself over and over again to remain competitive.

2. Thinking under pressure

Starcraft requires a lot of fast thinking under pressure. It is one of the major difficulties for beginners, because they constantly have a feeling that they don't have time to do a certain think or they panic under pressure and crack, completely lose their game concept etc.

So sc helps you remain calm and composed in difficult situations, so that your whole game doesn't crumble when you're put in an awkward position.

Another great thing about sc is that you learn to think on the fly. In the beginning, you are only capable of analysing your play in replays and such. It is very difficult to achieve the level of awareness so that you are able to distance your mind from its general tasks and just think about the situation and analyse it in order to figure out what's the next move.

All of that happens very fast and over time you begin to think faster because you can't really call a clock and think for 2 minutes on what to do - you gotta figure your next move in a second or two.

This allows sc players to implement that approach to poker easier than others - by this I mean that they can distance themselves from a hand easier and analyse it as if they were doing it in the middle of a session review. Not to mention countless other ways you can raise your level of self-awareness in poker and in all of those sc can help you implement it into your game faster.

3. Multitasking

What separates sc from wc3, chess, whatever there is out there is multitasking. In sc, you have to always prioritize your actions and always take care of various things on various parts of map - if you do it properly, you will be virtually doing ten things at the same time, because you will know when to be where and why - based on your strategy, plans, current situation, etc.

Your brain kind of learns to prioritize certain things over others, differentiate small tasks from big ones and when to focus on which one, etc. This constant switching of tasks back and forth is possibly useful in multitabling in poker.

Speaking of multitabling and multitasking - some players play sc passively and with slower mouse speed, but majority of the players are speed addicts, myself included. When I compare my 1st mouse&its speed and my current one...this one is at least 10 times faster,more precise etc.

Having a fast mouse certainly makes it easier to multitable and not need some special programs to help you multitable as if you were a cripple. However, I have to say that it took some time before I was able to play more than 6 tables - even though playing 6 tables in poker requires maybe 50 actions per minute and in sc you need 150+ apm to be an average player.

The key is in knowing what to do - so having the fastest hands on earth won't do you no good if you don't know what to do with them. This is why the speed is not that much of a benefit - because in your early poker days you won't be able to utilize it and in the later poker days you'll probably be playing 9-12 tables max to focus more on your game, which once again makes your superior hand speed obsolete.
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As for recognizing patterns - you'd be surprised how important patterns are in sc. If you can handle your own patterns properly,you can manipulate your opponent by misleading him and such.

However, mind games and levelling are not all that present in sc compared to poker. For example, you can play one specific style for months before an important tournament and then change your game completely because nobody will even think about the possibility that you will do anything differently than you've been doing for the past x months - they'll just assume it's your play style, or should I say your "box" and you won't do anything outside of it.

Anyway, sc and chess are both useful for poker players. I can definitely see some benefits from playing chess. Chess and sc are similar in a way and they are both by far the most superior games in their domains - e-Sports/pc games and board games.

Originally posted by jbpatzer
It was my dad who sent me the link for this. He claimed that it's used to train US air force pilots, and that they can do it for 2 minutes! Anyone know a US air force pilot?

That's obviously bull crap. The block always move in the same way, so if you try many times, you'll just know where to go in advance. I can't see how that is going to help you get an airplane on the ground.

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by OZSA
thats why chess players dont tilt, because they learnt how to be patient.

Speaking from experience, just lol. Unless I'm the only one who's ever tilted whilst playing chess.

you might tilt if u only played like 1-10 matches or whatever, but after 1k matches you cant tilt, you get angry when you make a mistake but you dont tilt like loosing AA on A28 vs 67 flop allin..♦

Dendra you still play SC? btw nice description of the game, lots of patience writing all that here ♦ gg

videogame player = guys that can play A game always been focusing on their activities for many many hours.. that's one of the main reason why in poker these guys can improve their game better than the other

Dendra you still play SC? btw nice description of the game, lots of patience writing all that here ♦ gg

I'll play sc forever I don't have time to play it now, but I'll go play some ladder again as soon as I find time gonna do some sc2 as well soon but yeh, sc:bw forever

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

It was my dad who sent me the link for this. He claimed that it's used to train US air force pilots, and that they can do it for 2 minutes! Anyone know a US air force pilot?

Guess my 20 seconds mean nothing so hey nightfrost is there is there anything you dont win at

Originally posted by NightFrostaSS

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

20.523 just after 6 attempts

20.635 - after about 12 tries

if it hasnt been mentioned then masturabtion

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker
hey nightfrost is there is there anything you dont win at

LIFE

math, physics, they teach poker in school everywhere, many poker players know these things perfect, they are studying economy and so on. So more you know those, more easier and beter you can learn pokerm,

dunno, just my opinion.

what about video games? dunno, I have old fat ps1, ps2, dunno, was playing with that. Don't know if it improved it. Maybe video games teach math and physics, I don't know, but I see people who plays video games are beter on those things.

Originally posted by Fagin

Originally posted by NightFrostaSS

Originally posted by jokerstar77mucker

Originally posted by luitzen

Originally posted by jbpatzer
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17 seconds

Oh yea 20.499 after 7 attemps! Beat that everyone

20.523 just after 6 attempts

20.635 - after about 12 tries

20.842 after like 50 tries.

20.916 after 51 tries let's say
I feel tired and sleepy today, probably I will be able to get to like 22 tommorow

21.592 allmost 22

Originally posted by TobyCS
if it hasnt been mentioned then masturabtion

To get used to nuts?

Originally posted by TobyCS
if it hasnt been mentioned then masturabtion

then how come that you are not multi millionaire poker player?

Originally posted by Alficor1

Originally posted by TobyCS
if it hasnt been mentioned then masturabtion

To get used to nuts?

yes

Originally posted by Saruniks

Originally posted by TobyCS
if it hasnt been mentioned then masturabtion

then how come that you are not multi millionaire poker player?

i am