[Closed] NL100 Q8s

I would fold on the flop because there are so many cards on the turn where you have to give up (Overcards, Spades, cards that complete the OESD - even a Q wouldn´t be a pleasure as it completes JT). In a vacuum, your play is correct i think because Villain will have a decent amount of draws in his range. The point is that you will have some really ugly decisions on later streets, especially when you know that Villain is a good player.
As played, i would shove the turn. Villain bets exactly that much that he has a Potsize bet left. I think, he will call with all of his overpairs, strong draws etc. With his betsizing he´s going to shove anyway in my opinion (exactly PS left).
I would call the river because the FD and some straightdraws missed and you have to be good just 33% of the time.

Like mentioned I would also fold flop. Even if villain has complete air you will have a hard time trying to get to showdown. If villain is semi-bleffing you are probably coinflipping equity-wise and he can stil bluff u off the best hand with scare cards in case he misses. If he's not bluffing at all your are waaay behind.
=> So all reasons that advocate for a fold.

On the turn it already becomes clear why we should have folded flop, even tho we improved our hand we stil don't know what to do. If u decided to call flop u obviously can't fold the turn, u called flop for a reason and we now improved our hand.

I think I would just call turn again. For me there is still too much money behind to just shove the turn and raising/shoving turn only isolates us against fullhouse because draws will all fold.

On the river I probably end up folding just because we know villain is a good player ( if villain was unknown, we should probably call river ). It's a tremendous amount of information to have and you should use it to your advantage.
Because we know villain is good, we should realize he will often NOT secondbarrel the turn w air/draws because it almost has no foldequity.
Even if villain did decide to secondbarrel a draw, he is certainly not bluffing the river because he can't expect us to fold to often.

So if we can establish with a fair amount of certainty that he's not bluffing the river then the only hand he might be value-shoving that we beat is 78. That is if we eliminate overpairs from his range because we expect him to 3bet them pre-flop.

There is only 1 maybe 2 arguments really that advocates a call on the river.
1) Villain knows our hand can't be strong because we would normally re-raise our sets on the flop. Thus our hand-range is heavily weighted towards draws or somekind of 9x hand ( maybe an overpair that doesn't wanna play for stacks on the flop ).
=> For this reason he could decide to tripple barrel because he realizes our handrange can't be strong.

2) Villains value-range is really small, because good player would often 3bet 99 and 44 pre-flop from blinds against CU.

But seriously, is a good player really gonna tripple barrel bluff on this kind of board against a in his eyes unkown NL100 player ? I honestly doubt it heavily, it just doesn't make sense for him to tripple bluff. He should realize on the river because of how the hand played out and the board ran out, that people will often bluffcatch the river.

He should also realize if we call turn, we kind of feel commited to call the river aswel.... don't we ?

I'd even consider folding preflop unless there's a fish in the BB. Q8s is somewhat weak and we're not even on the button.

As played I agree with the previous posters that the flop should be a fold after we bet. The reason is, that our equity vs his range isn't that great and additionally (as mentioned) there will be a ton of cards we're folding on so we'll end up making mistakes.
However, vs an aggressive opponent I'd consider checking this back in the first place. He will bet the turn most of the time so we can catch his bluffs.

As played once we call on the flop I'd shove the turn over his bet. We're at the very top of our range, he will assume (obv correctly) that our average hand is weak than 8x so I think there's a decent amount of draws he's bet/calling.

Also if he folds it's not too bad of a result either because we don't know if he would follow through with a 3rd barrel.

However, once we call the turn the river should be an instacall - by calling the turn we tell him we have a very weak hand since we'd shove most strong hands for value&protection. So imo he can easily follow through with his bluffs.
Also if he was tricky preflop with some QQ+ type hand he might even be shoving those for value.