Can't fold my Aces

Joined: 16.12.2010

03.02.2011, 02:18 0

I've just read the silver strategy article called "Mathematics: Odds & Outs for Advanced Players", and it was a milestone on my short poker career - suddenly everything makes more sense! Of course, i'm still prone to many mistakes, and i suppose this hand is one of the examples. I apologize in advance for posting the results, but i guess it will not influence much the resulting evaluation.

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$2,55:136/19/6/3.0/38/13/33/33;Hero$4,64:///////;[/tg]
0,1/0,2 Fixed-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Elephant 0.90 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A♥, A♦
3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: (5,00 SB) K♥, J♠, 8♥ (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

The 3-bet on the flop is likely enough to let me know i'm behind. I've got 4 outs (Aces and Nut Backdoor Flush), not enough to make the call. Should i fold immediately? Are there any implied odds i'm missing?
Turn: (5,50 BB) 4♥ (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Things change a little bit. I'm probably facing two pair or trips, and now the flush draw is real. I've got 11 outs, about 3,2:1 odds. Calling this one is easy.
River: (7,50 BB) 6♣ (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

None of my outs came out. Is it correct to call anyway? Or i should have folded my AA on the river, heads up, without seeing what the opponent had?
Final Pot: 9,50 BB

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows (Ah Ad)
SB shows three-of-a-kind, jacks (Jd Jc)

SB wins with three-of-a-kind, jacks (Jd Jc)

3 replies

Sutton

Joined: 14.09.2008

Posts: 56

03.02.2011, 14:54 0

I think I'd play it the same. I don't think you can ever fold the flop, and like you say the turn is an easy call. You may not even be behind on the flop as villain could easily have some kind of K that they're playing agressively.

You could also play call flop/raise turn, though you would still have to call down to a 3Bet, so as played at leasts it's cheaper if you lose.

I'd call the river and hope to be ahead against a K, if not then at least you get to see what villain has and how they play it.

taavi1337

Joined: 29.05.2009

Posts: 5,118

03.02.2011, 20:24 0

Standard call flop-raise turn for max value/protection.

No way to fold your hand anywhere, he could very well play single Kx or some draw like QT this way.

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firsttsunami

Joined: 23.01.2006

Posts: 30,011

06.02.2011, 11:33 0

normally a guy with 6 PFR does have JJ in his 3betting range so i would exclude this hand off his range as well as KJo. against an mp3 open a guy who is that kind of weak (low VPIP and low PFR) doesn't call KJo out of the smallblind against an mp3 openraise. against CO maybe but not against mp3. i would exclude this hand as well to be honest and i'd put him most likely on either Q♥T♥ T♥9♥ KJsuited 88 or KQ. but since its questionable whether he does have KJ in his range though and the flush came in on the turn i like your calldown but you should stick to the default line call flop raise turn.

Against an unknown you are supposed to raise the turn again with your overpair and the nutflushdraw in addition.

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