I don't have HEM but i'd love to see my KK graph when i get it. Slopes downward of course.
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Originally posted by OZSA
Originally posted by Jkob
OZSA: I have around 830k hands. I guess you were dealt AA a bit more frequently than me
its just strange, to see such difference on a big sample like this.
that's two different sites and shufflers I gues, We need to test this live, someone should try playing 1Mill hands live ;D
Pretty interesting is my graph with QQ - the point where showdown line starts to curve down is a point where I moved up from NL5 to NL10. I must be overplaying queens I guess...
I guess ur mistake is going broke with QQ vs 4bet or simply preflop AI. thats not a good idea on most tables ♦ especially rush..
Originally posted by Saruniks
Originally posted by OZSA
Originally posted by Jkob
OZSA: I have around 830k hands. I guess you were dealt AA a bit more frequently than meits just strange, to see such difference on a big sample like this.
that's two different sites and shufflers I gues, We need to test this live, someone should try playing 1Mill hands live ;D
will try it, gonna reply in aprox...umm some decades im sure ♦
Originally posted by OZSA
I guess ur mistake is going broke with QQ vs 4bet or simply preflop AI. thats not a good idea on most tables ♦ especially rush..
Yeah, that's possible. While I already found smoother playing with AK is more +EV, I still play QQ as "go broke, don't question" hand ♦
Whoa, look at this shit.. My graph with AK (both s and o). Now that's ugly 
if the best pre flop hand won every time poker would be luck and not skill so shhusshh
Originally posted by OZSA
guess you have top pair or 2pair with ur AK when its nonsd, or u bluff that much?
Having negative NSD with AK would be pretty damn weird. And you don't need to "bluff much" or anything like that, it's just superior hand, people will have to fold more often than not. Fwiw just for u I filtered out my FR RUSH Ak and while the red line isn't as steadily going up overall it still does go up.
Originally posted by OZSA
guess you have top pair or 2pair with ur AK when its nonsd, or u bluff that much?
I don't think so, I rarely bluff at all. Maybe that's because when I hit smth good with my AK - I go for gold, and yeah, most of the time everyone folds, and if I don't hit - I don't bluff or chase outs. And of course all these lost flips preflop vs QQ, and being dominated vs KK, not to mention AA.
Originally posted by Saruniks
Originally posted by OZSA
Originally posted by Jkob
OZSA: I have around 830k hands. I guess you were dealt AA a bit more frequently than meits just strange, to see such difference on a big sample like this.
that's two different sites and shufflers I gues, We need to test this live, someone should try playing 1Mill hands live ;D
I wana play on whichever site has the most AA!
Originally posted by Saruniks
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just look at it. What do you think this means? look at blue one, it means something like.
Hero: (Oh I got AA I have to raise)
BB: Reraise
Hero: (oh no I am busted, but I can't fold by pokerstrategy) reraise
BB: All in
Hero: (KK again? I am busted, no way, but I can't fold) call)noooooo, it's KK I am busted.
K comes.
Hero: I knew I had to fold.
now non showdown winning.
Hero: (Oh I got AA I have to raise) raise
BB: Fold
Hero: (yes he folded, finally I won with AA)cmon, this is joke...
(who doesn't understand, this is only AA graph and blue line means that when it goes to showdown, let's say against KK QQ or random cards like 47o(preflop or drawing) it gets busted more than it wins making it losing card)
if u wanna fold AA vs KK do you want to go all in with KK vs AA and hope for the king to hit? why would u fold the best hand? no hand is 100% so do you never wanna go all in pre-flop or what?
yeah I lose with AA against KK and with KK against AA, but I have no choice but to continue this.