[Closed] How to increase non-showdown winnings?

Ok guys, I am still waiting for any respond. ♦ I feel like home alone..

cbet less, defend more from blinds (3bet mostly), call more in position and ofc don't play fit or fold for the most part, squeeze more, i dunno, defend vs 3bets more prob too, although they prob don't 3bet much at those stakes anyway so defending tight is okay.

Don't auto call pf with low pocket pairs and stuff, postflop "save bets" by that i mean like if get raised or w/e and have no fucking idea wtf you gonna do on later streets just fold. Or don't c/c c/c just to c/f river (mostly). Idk, just guessing.

its hard to have a positive nonshowdown winning in micros. i mean they are almost calling you down w/ any hands. and 90% are very weak. you shouldnt think about your nonshowdown, think about your winnings first. its a bad idea to 3barrell off against a fish who are not folding his any2 hand

i dont know why microplayers are so into it. and your won@ showdown is also. you can start thinking about your nonshowdown if you get to low-midstakes they are many fishregs and are folding rivers very often.

I'm not that experienced so I'll put my opinion so others can criticize it as well.

I used to have a horrible red line, and now it breaks even. One thing that helps A LOT is to open up your 3bet range - BOTH from blinds and button.

Choose your opponents though: if you see someone raising 50% from the button, 3bet relentlessly. Same if the CO is stealing too much and you are button.

On the other hand, try to steal blinds more yourself. Keep putting pressure by raising then cbetting a lot (vs. the right villains), and this will also help you to get paid of when you do hit (I can see your showdown winiings are not exactly starrocketing anyway).

About the cbet, I disagree a bit with the previous post. I find it a good way to improve your non-showdown. But it's villain dependant as well: I find some players with 100% fold to cbet... guess how often I'm cbetting them?

On the other hand, I found your turn cbet a bit high. The turn is more expensive so the second barrel has to be thought more thorouly. As said, two-barrel-then-fold is awful.

Lastly, explore the early limpers. Impressive how many players limp, call a raise then fold to a cbet regardless of the board.

I hope it helps, please criticize me.

don't fold

Stop cbetting 83%. Lower your cbet a lot, start checking back medium-strength hands and some air on really drawy/wet boards.

Perhaps raise more bottons and steal more blinds. I am sure if you filter by position and you only graph the BB/SB you will see that you (I am speculating here) that 99% of your non-sd loses are from these two positions.

Evaluate those hands that you play from the blinds, are you playing fit or fold when you call preflop? Have you experimented with leading out of position when you call preflop from the blinds?

It is also likely that with your low WTSD 23% you're folding too often the best hand. Reevaluate hands where there's a river and you face a bet and after that you fold.

Originally posted by SirPaulius
don't fold

Well... indeed a villain folding 60% to cbet (our hero's status) is one I would be cbetting (almost) every flop.

So... fold less to cbets, even check-raise bluffs against villains cbetting too much and the sort could be good options to: 1) get the pot right away (thus improving the red line); 2) slowing the villain cbets down (he will think twice); 3) improving the showdown winnings in the long run, by getting paid off when hits.

Am I wrong?

Very strange I'd say. The most of OP's stats are just great, I don't understand how non-sd line can go down so fast.. Well the only 2 things that comes to my mind are these:
1. Maybe you bluff too much and tend to give up when unsuccessfully?
2. Maybe you like to cbet on 2 streets regardless of opponents and board texture, and then give up on the river?

Also it seems you're not a calling station (stations doesn't have AF of 4.68 and WTSD of 23), so shouldn't be any problems with chasing draws etc.

My NSDW is also going down(not this much though). I think you shouldnt care too much about it and just work on your game in general, you obviously have some big leaks. Flop Cbet is WAY too high when I see players with such stats, I float them so much on dry boards or bluff raise them on the flop or turn depending on board texture.
I think something like 65-75% cbet is fine. I would check back dry boards which you have crushed(e.g. you have AQ and board is A72 rainbow) and also not Cbet wet boards and boards you think could have hit villains range well. Generally if I see a regular Cbet a JT9 2suited flop I tend to give him a lot of credit since this is a terrible board for him to cbet air. Also maybe add some more 3beting light in good spots.

Originally posted by r4zor
its hard to have a positive nonshowdown winning in micros. i mean they are almost calling you down w/ any hands. and 90% are very weak. you shouldnt think about your nonshowdown, think about your winnings first. its a bad idea to 3barrell off against a fish who are not folding his any2 hand

i kinda disagree...i think you can have a good non showdown winnings at nl10 and 25...but as u mentioned i think its important to play according to the opponent..

start floating against ppl who have a high cbet%, semi bluff and bluff at the right places and that should increase your NSDW...

Originally posted by clawindsouza

i kinda disagree...i think you can have a good non showdown winnings at nl10 and 25...but as u mentioned i think its important to play according to the opponent..

i say its not so easy to achieve a good non showdown in the micros because they are so many showdownmonkeys, but i wouldnt bluff so much at the micros because its a leak from the microplayers.. they are not still good to spot the weakness, reading the board well.. and they are going to be some spewtards..

you should re-filter the graph for NL10.

Your graph is not filtered and has an additional -$280 that is not shown in your stats and may be very misleading.

Or show the graph & stats for NL25 (or where ever the other 10k hands came from) and maybe people can give you advice on that.

OK, thank you all for the great feedback!

While reading, I made some notes what to try to fix in future:

• Less cbeting (more checing kback medium strong hands on dry boards and air on wet boards, giving more attention to oponents), 65-75% of cbet would be fine
• Less folding to cbet (more floating players with high cbet%, more flop raising or check/raising cbetors as a bluff or semi-bluff)
• More defending blinds with 3-bets and calls
• Trying to lead out to preflop aggresors after calling from blinds
• More stealing blinds
• Calling preflop IP more
• More squeezing

Sorry if my english is not that good. Originally, notes are in Croatian.

Originally posted by Flipzors
you should re-filter the graph for NL10.

Your graph is not filtered and has an additional -$280 that is not shown in your stats and may be very misleading.

Or show the graph & stats for NL25 (or where ever the other 10k hands came from) and maybe people can give you advice on that.

This is graph only for NL10:

Originally posted by kakeiho
Perhaps raise more bottons and steal more blinds. I am sure if you filter by position and you only graph the BB/SB you will see that you (I am speculating here) that 99% of your non-sd loses are from these two positions.

Yep, you are more then right! I am shocked with the following graphs..

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So, could you give me some feedback according to the posted graphs?

I guess I am biiiiig :f_confused:! ♦

One thing did draw my attention a lot: why are you winning so many showdowns from BTN (fine) but then losing soooo many from the CO?

EP winnings look low aswell but I guess could just be small sample

Can you post a HEM that list your winnings by position? evaluate whether you're too tight or too loose from the blinds. Have a plan for different scenarios.

Say a BTN is openning 40% of the times and folding to 3bets 75%

What hands are you going to call? What hands are you going to 3bet?

When you do call, are you going to lead or check-raise? How often does he cbet?

If you 3bet, are you going to cbet? Which boards? What's your opponent calling range?

and so on.