[Closed] Peak performance poker with TLN

"there is no way imo, this has been organized by more ppl. It makes no sense whatsoever that they would leave that much of evidence, and the alleged plrs - Dog and Jungle have way more to lose even than Girah did.
But esp the skype logs, the badly managed weird hands played, the forcing of Jose of action all DOESNT speak for an organized crime, rather than a kid who got too obsessed w success and just cannot let go when on downswing."

this stupid sweating scam is ofc only work of girah himself. would skilled player with 800 k hands mid/highstakes/nosebleed make such REALLY retarded and transparent and obvoius scam ? hell no. but random average nonexperienced reg could think it might be good idea/ easy way.
but if u spend another 10 hours reading the threads about the so called portugeuse prodigy and his story/thread u will see many strange things that will(might) make you reconsider the option girah actually never won 2 mil and bought a house and is at best mediocre mistakes reg.

it seems abs ridiculous to me, unless Jungle/DIH are involved (which is very unlikely) that he is not an exceptional player of poker. He had a tight connection to prolly ~20 of some of the best NLHE plrs in the world. He had been discussing strategies, hand history reviews, talke real time in skype w so many.. I can tell u from my coaching/teamviewer analysis exp, that to tell a diff betw NL400 BE plr and just NL1k winner doesnt take more than a few hands. The diff of understanding in close spots, the estimation of ranges and results of handcombo calculations are so much more precise and quicker by a higher stake plr. It is abs NOT possible that Jungleman and other wouldnt tell if he was just a midstakes plr within minutes!

At the argument abt his gains/losses:

Again: he didnt have much money as of present at all. DIH is informing us that he was experiencing of his 1st bigger downers of his life + he had so little cash coz of the scam of the uncle and the house bying, he had been staked to play NL2-5k by Jungleman and DIH. The alleged conversation is even such that after some more unluck, Girah is being adviced by DIH NOT to play even NL5k for a while.. Girah was out of money.

Now try to step into the shoes of Girah:

u re 20yo, just finished highschool, image of a rockstar in his country and worldwide in a pokercommunity. U re starting to gain an image for the brightest poker mind of possibly all time since Stu Ungar and 2 of the worldclass poker plrs are abt to move into ur house in 1 month to make this a perfect dream scenario.

Or is it?

Now imagine, u ve been used to play up to NL40k and are now bounded by debt of staking, u run rly bad and its killing u, u re not experienced enough to handle it (comon- he playes poker for 2y!), u know this is an opportunity of a lifetime though. He can become a legend forever, or Jungle/DIH can just come, be dissapointed after seeing he is playing NL1k or 2k and maybe leave soon (not saying they would- but he would imo think that they would).

I think psychologically this makes just so much sense. He in fact does NOT have that much to lose. 1, he has already achieved more than 20y older guys in his country- he has a nice big house and therefore has covered his main expenses for a lifetime pretty much. 2, he is still young and carelless, he is not committed to poker by any means. He can go and study uni or what not, do anything, travel. He has not yet gained any sort of authority in the field as Jungle/DIH have had. 3, It's very unlikely he can judge the levels to which the crime will be taken aka: will he be sued to Portuguese police or Europol and taken to the court? Seems (at least to me) like online poker is so much detached from RL - i think it's highly unlikely he considers the gratitude of his act seriously. 4, as 3, applies, he can as well return to poker no problem after a while, ofc his face was revealed now (wonder why Isildur kept it secret for so long, fscammer lol ♦) , so highly unlikely he ll ever be able to sign pro-contracts, but should he rly care? As his character is widely described as perfectionist and a person who loves to compete at any costs, imo: He didnt lose much rly now.

To put it plainly his risk/reward ratio was this:

A, be a legend forever, become an undisputed authority in online poker scene AND earn maybe hundreds (possibly mms) of thousands $ while living w DIH/Jungle and just live his rockstar lifestyle to the fullest.

or B, lose reputation, lose contacts for a while, but lose hardly any money (maybe gain some?-scamms Jungle/DIH), maybe in 1y (maybe months) return to the online poker world under other name, still discuss strategies, earn a lot of money or just go to uni.. w/e, he is young and free (?! ) (therefore his opportunity cost of NOT playing nosebleeds when the pokerhouse starts and lose credibility in the eyes of Jungle/DIH and other nosebleeds plrs is imo bigger than him being revealed a scammer of few "far less" important ppl)

This theory is also supported by how quickly he was ready to give up poker (which also totally shocked DIH by his own words in his blog), when questioned by his "friends" in the skype group. I think, he made up his mind before going to do all this, that this was way too important of a step of his potential nosebleeds carreer and what he was rly going to give up for it.

And yea, its also possible that he is the one "looking for the Portuguese prodigy". Makes perfect sense he wanted to gain the limelight quick, to gain the attention of nosebleeds plrs quicker, but again, it would be totally paranoid now to question ALL of his successes now. Reports can be cheated, his image in 2+2 forums can be cheated, but u just dont cheat top20 plrs in the world who study this game for years day in day out into believing some random BE midstakes plr- that just simply is not possible at all.

I think he should be legally pursuited and sentenced to 2-5y, as his crime is way too serious and goes way outside of the boundaries of online poker and breaches many principles of our society, but tbh i think the whole image of online poker in the world doesnt allow for this and he is likely to flee unscathed. Maybe his house should be confiscated at least.. lol.

Originally posted by LooserSR
the so called portugeuse prodigy [...] is at best mediocre mistakes reg.

Awesome typo.

You're right that he must be a great player TheLastNail, nobody can fool players of Jungleman's caliber into thinking you're a good highstakes player when you're not.

I disagree about your risk/reward analysis though, he had a lot to lose and I have no idea how he didn't understand that. The reputation he had is worth a lot of money - think videos, coachings, sponsorships and other commercial benefits - not to mention being able to discuss strategy with the best highstakes players in the world. That is so much +EV in the longrun, probably worth millions.

He probably overestimated his chances of getting away with this a lot and vastly underestimated the impact it would have, thus leading to a very poor decision. Or maybe the fame got to him and he just blanked and did something stupid. I guess we'll never know...

y, the sponsorships, coachings are worth quite a bunch for sure, but now consider how much is worth him being able to play NL20k (and +) in house w Jungleman next to his chair for the next just half a year, analysing regs together everyday... compared to much disinterested in his NL1k-2k efforts company, perhaps caring just abt dinnerbreak general strategy talk.

I also doubt he lost contacts for good. As above mentioned, he can return under a diff identity in no time and discuss strategies w almost anyone. I think he effectively just lost his sponsorships and i dont think they are THAT big of a deal. besides obv the reputation and his name forever. But do u really care abt ur name that much when u re 20yo? He could be remembered forever, now he d still be remembered ♦ Idk.. i just still think he has far less to lose than sb like Jungle/DIH fe or other established plrs. More so, that he was currently in debt or at least close to it, and didnt possess any money online that could be frozen.

hmm there's a new thread that disputes ur theory. I think it is quite possible that DIH made the "Girah" persona to get HU action. And Jose was just the face behind it. Some players claimed that he often made blatant mistakes.

DogIsHead is a cheater

his willingness to repay the victims is also highly suspicious. but yea NVGers jump to the wildest conclusions

"Reports can be cheated, his image in 2+2 forums can be cheated, but u just dont cheat top20 plrs in the world who study this game for years day in day out into believing some random BE midstakes plr- that just simply is not possible at all."

no. his skill was backed up and promoted only by jungle, DIH and partially Sauce. and DIH is one shady mf. numerous other high stakes players told he actually sucks and told about more cases when someone from girah account played weak midstakes game, other time crushed nosebleeds.
i think he just allowed DIH and jungle to play on his account so they can get action from euro players. then he made up his scam, because hes broke and cold hearted sociopath willing scamming all his poker friends.

that said i dont believe he bought a house in hawaii and im willing to take propbet.
my 500 $ that he didnt bought house in Hawaii to anyones 500 $ who believe he did.

Originally posted by LooserSR

that said i dont believe he bought a house in hawaii and im willing to take propbet.
my 500 $ that he didnt bought house in Hawaii to anyones 500 $ who believe he did.

Bad odds...

Originally posted by THESHade

Originally posted by LooserSR

that said i dont believe he bought a house in hawaii and im willing to take propbet.
my 500 $ that he didnt bought house in Hawaii to anyones 500 $ who believe he did.

Bad odds...

lol if someone believes in his integrity, its great odds and should be snap called

Originally posted by LooserSR

Originally posted by THESHade

Originally posted by LooserSR

that said i dont believe he bought a house in hawaii and im willing to take propbet.
my 500 $ that he didnt bought house in Hawaii to anyones 500 $ who believe he did.

Bad odds...

lol if someone who believes in his integrity, its great odds and should be snap called

True ♦ Ok, nvm, sorrey

I came up with pretty much the same ideas as LooserSR did in this case.

the "I bought a house" shit is just pure BS imo, he most likely just one lucky son of a, who somehow knew DIH - just some tiny detail, but could be interesting: ever wondered how he spoke the language so well at 17? those portu/spanish guys just dont give a shit about other languages in general -.

He most probably just started his "own business" after DIH (and JM) loosened his chains or whatever, to get a few bucks and he ended up that stupid that he didnt even bought an another modem for his other -his friend at school (lol)- account. + I don't know how can someone be such a moron that he just randomly added plyrs to skype and said: "oh hai, u wanna play nosebleeds with this fish plspls? imma TV you"

oh wait, I know how, all this focus, all this energy that he showed us in the past was all written for him by some more intelligent ppl.

okay, I know, this is all gone into who murdered kennedy and hide his corpse in area51...

anyways, I'm pretty sure that we will know more in a few days.

Well, as long as we're discussing this here, this is pretty recent:

Sauce123:
Everyone is just super hyped up about this situation. i read some posts in this thread, thought a bit and had some strong suspicious about haseeb doing x, but absolutely no proof. so instead of posting suspicions on here i just called him on the phone and asked if x was true and if it wasnt what possible justification he could give for my suspicions of x. when i dont have proof i prefer to settle things between myself and the person involved in order to save them from headache and myself from being wrong and looking mean (and hope someone else would do the same for me in a similar situation). haseeb admitted to x and said he would address it shortly. if he doesnt, then i will publicly and i wanted a record of that.

So yeah, I guess we will indeed know more soon enough. Some more shit to hit the fan it seems.

jelous ....
Did u ahve to do some training or seminar before THE jump?
How long was it (in "real" time and how long did u thought it was?)

wowza! ♦ looks freaking insane. how did it feel? and who are the others? is that opal? he has short hair now...

Ahhh, is always great but the first time is the best feeling :)) ♠_love:

Very nice sir! I know the feeling, great stuff.

Originally posted by extpan
Ahhh, is always great but the first time is the best feeling :)) ♠_love:

Not for every new experience,and clearly not for girls. ♠_biggrin: ♠_biggrin:

it was.. hmm.. actually it didnt feel so exciting as bungee to me, maybe coz i already had that exp and knew what was going to happen.. esp the first few seconds. The acceleration only happens for 2 or so seconds before u achieve the cap speed. So actually, it feels much "awkward" on a bungee, where u have repetition of feeling of gravital accelaration or a paraglaid, when u do the circles (centripedal acceleration can be more than gravital if i am not mistaken-but long time, no physics, so feel free to correct).

Also, it kinda feels much safer than bungee coz u re not doing the final step and u feel like u re relatively secured. At least, that's what i felt. It might have been different if i did the jump alone. We are acutally contemplating this w the guys, maybe we enroll some course and get a licence for this kind of thing a bit later:

that should be a LOOOT sicker, coz acutally during the turning and twisting u undergo again those centripedal accelerations and u could accelerate much quicker than w a much bigger paraglaid ofc. Opal kind of tried this, his tandem co-jumper allowed him to try to spin while falling down, he said it was indeed much different.

The jump was sth like 3mins maybe, free fall is ~ 50secs, and the rest was going down on a chute (from ~1.5km) It also felt pretty much like that, short.. we all felt i think that we wanted to go again right after :). The biggest problem i had was w the goggles, it felt like the blast of air is going to just rip them of my face and i was scared i wouldnt see anything anymore, so i actually kept myself very static during almost whole of the fall.

Abt poker shortly: we did a Czech-Slovak 3 way challenge, Opal, Matusko and me abt forcing eachother to play MORE. It's a nice little challenge, u can find more abt it here: Czech-Slovak 3way challenge , but it's in czech-slovak, so sorry: i rooted for Eng comm, but got outvoted. The rules are: all of us set very demanding volume orientated goal for eachother (rest must confirm it's legit difficulty compared to stakes/ types of games we play) and each one of us can then win a 200€ worth "vouchier" per month from the other 2 guys. The vouchier cannot be repaid tho, but can only be used for buying specifc (esp material) stuff that would improve our real life outside of poker. So it kind of supports the idea of balance in poker lifestyle. We are all lazy to get out and go shopping, so this way, the other guys have to do it for the 3rd person and even personally bring him his gift. The vouchiers can even be put together, but for no more than 6months. (for now). So u can opt for a 6month challenge and have sth for up to 1.2k€ delivered to u.

In the first challenge I opted for a home gym rack, worth close to 400€, so it will be a 2moth task for me. Have to keep 50k hands/month to pass. (Last time i played 50k hands/month was 1y ago!! )

I am also testing few new strategies, moves, and for that reason mainly trying it out on NL400-600, i have very bad results sofar, need to get more exp w it.

But deffo w a crazy image, many interesting things happen.. wont post hands vs regs, but this, last orbit of the session vs fish is also quite funny: (he snapped my shove btw - i was worried for a second )

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $4(BB)
Hero ($480)
BB ($400)
UTG ($455)
UTG+1 ($614)
CO ($82.20)
BTN ($228)

Dealt to Hero A♦ A♠

fold, fold, CO calls $4, fold, Hero raises to $12, fold, CO calls $8

FLOP ($28) 4♥ J♦ J♣

Hero bets $16, CO calls $16

TURN ($60) 4♥ J♦ J♣ 4♦

Hero checks, CO bets $27.10, Hero raises to $452 (AI), CO calls $27.10 (AI)

RIVER ($168) 4♥ J♦ J♣ 4♦ 7♣

CO shows Q♣ 6♣
(Pre 17%, Flop 4.2%, Turn 0.0%)

Hero shows A♦ A♠
(Pre 83%, Flop 95.8%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $164

Originally posted by TheLastNail

oh my god... I was thinking "that guy on the right looks so familiar..." and then I realized who it was!!! I have never seen him with such short hair! ♦ I like it

Really awesome pictures, I'd probably never dare to do it.

y, Opal is a real macho now! not just friendly and a social shark as alw, but also more man-like looks now

btw: for all FPS fans: grand finale of Quakecon 2011.. rapha-strenx Quakecon 2011 final

awesome stuff, and my longtime favorite proves his valor once again.. good that more and more sponspors coming to such games, now 1st prize 8k$.. starting to get a bit more decent.

i also started to play Commandos 2 yesterday, what a cool game,. (when u spend like 3h learning the hotkeys before) loving it now, so many options, one can be very creative there. I will try and play it every day in between poker, coz i was getting a bit more frustrated w how i play recently, need to get the "playing spirit" get a bit more indiricetly.