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pokerprons
Joined: 30.09.2009

Originally posted by Wriggers

Originally posted by pokerprons
If sharing HHs and sweating were cheating, then how are we ever supposed to perfect our game and become better? Of course I need a coach to teach me lots of new things I never knew existed, but it would be morally wrong because we would have to share HHs... bullshit! And I also disagree on the point that sweating is ganging up on people. I'd like to see anyone gang up on durrrr and try to take his money. Or say couple of us fish "gang up" on TwiceT - he would be more than happy to take our BR lol. What I'm trying to say is if someone has their game perfected to a very high level there's not much a couple of mediocre players (or even better ones because there is only so much they can know about the game) can do to gain an edge on him, and he probably has pretty much the same chance as if he were playing only the guy clicking the buttons.

Well that's exactly what Cole South and Brian Hastings did to Isildur and they managed to take several million from him in just a few sessions, so yes it is possible and yes, in my opinion, it is morally wrong to do so.

To be fair Isildur has had swings like that before and also after that. But u do have a point there. Although I dont think they could do the same with much more stable players like durrr,Ivey or Antonius (we cant know if someone already tried that on them, but it's highly possible). Anyway, sharing HHs is to me like learning from your previous experience. I dont think everything should be kept private becasue poker world would be a very lonely place and we wouldnt have communities such as this one.


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Wriggers
Joined: 21.07.2009

Yeah it's different for different levels in my opinion. For example, in the micros I don't think looking over hand histories in order to study is wrong, as you're unlikely to be coming across them all the time and winning a massive amount of money off them. But if you go to the high stakes and study the hands of regular HU opponents between you whilst sharing HH then I think that is wrong. Especially in Isildur's case where Hastings and South were probably sat next to each other playing, with one planning on getting him tilted whilst the other waited to sit with him when he tilted.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Chess is a game of complete information and poker is a game of incomplete information, so information is much more valuable in the latter than the former. I'm still not entirely clear about the morals of the various things we've been discussing, but this distinction is probably an important one.


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My take on the discussion:

To prevent sweating/ghosting/coaching is quite impossible. Also sites don't really care for that (if they do react negatively is just because it's good PR for them, they really don't care). So when you are using those methods, you are using methods that are available to anyone and every time you sit down to play you should also be aware that you could be playing against more than one person.

Now if you are a poker pro, you need to do your work as good as you can since you are not playing for honor but for money. You cannot play the role of the last white knight.

So basically, my opinion is you should take the edges you are allowed to take.

P.S. Of course if it still makes you feel bad to do it just don't.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1350)
jbpatzer (SB) (t1650)

Preflop: jbpatzer is SB with A, J
jbpatzer bets t50, BB calls t30

Flop: (t100) 10, 10, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, jbpatzer bets t60, BB raises to t1300 (All-In), jbpatzer ????

$1.50 regular speed SnG. Sixth hand v unknown. Seemed passive but a bit erratic postflop so far. Anybody else want to call here?

I was driving to work this morning and I had a really weird flashback. I was 16, I'd just got back from the pub with my mates, and we put the telly on to find King Crimson on the Old Grey Whistle Test on BBC2. I only ever heard this song once, but it somehow stuck in my brain to emerge at strange intervals. I know I should listen to more King Crimson, but this is the only song of theirs that I've ever heard as I still haven't got round to listening to the track that nibbana posted here ages ago.

When I got to work I realized that it was Tony Levin on bass in both the King Crimson track and what I was listening to in the car. This is actually Jordan Rudess, Steven Wilson, Tony Levin and Gavin Harrison, so it's Jazz-Metal-Prog heaven!

My brain needs to be taken out of my head, serviced, cleaned, refurbished, and then put back. It is full of shit.


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Wriggers
Joined: 21.07.2009

I'm not calling that AJ hand, I would expect us to be up against a full house a lot of the time.


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Huseens
Joined: 03.07.2009

So you like Steven Wilson?


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by Huseens
So you like Steven Wilson?

oooooo! Thanks. I will listen when I get home. Should I be listening to Pendulum? I thought they were one of those silly dance music bands that make lots of squelchy noises and go BOOM, BOOM, BOOM until your brain rots in your head.


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NightFrostaSS
Joined: 25.10.2008

I'm sure you will love pendulum


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muebarek
Joined: 31.07.2008

Originally posted by jbpatzer
$1.50 regular speed SnG. Sixth hand v unknown. Seemed passive but a bit erratic postflop so far. Anybody else want to call here?

Nope. Even if we had an edge vs his range here I doubt that it'd be bigger than the probability of you winning this match vs this kind of player after folding this hand


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

I had a rare evening out last night where I went to play chess with my friend Graham and then had beer and curry (I really know how to party hard). He's an FM rated about 2250, and the bugger crushed me over and over again at five minute chess. He knows I like to play aggressively, and kept swapping off the queens and pwning me in the ending. But it's hard to be upset as he's such a nice chap. A sort of smiling, avuncular chess assassin. I think my record against him is 1/12 now. Good job I'm not under the illusion that my chess is going to improve any time soon.

So here I sit, oozing curry from every pore, waiting for unsuspecting PhD students to appear for meetings, which I hope they will have the good sense to keep short. I can't get my current maths problem sorted out so I feel like ripping someone's head off this morning.

As I was out last night, I haven't had the chance to listen to any Pendulum yet. Can someone suggest a couple of other tracks that I'd like, given my fairly obvious musical tastes?

Originally posted by jbpatzer
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1350)
jbpatzer (SB) (t1650)

Preflop: jbpatzer is SB with A, J
jbpatzer bets t50, BB calls t30

Flop: (t100) 10, 10, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, jbpatzer bets t60, BB raises to t1300 (All-In), jbpatzer ????

$1.50 regular speed SnG. Sixth hand v unknown. Seemed passive but a bit erratic postflop so far. Anybody else want to call here?

Coach Boris reckons snap call, Ace high is good. This was my first thought. He's never playing a pair or a Ten this way. He's full of shit. But then I thought, if he's retarded enough to do that, I can beat him without playing for stacks so early on, so I folded. But then he showed me Q6o, to which I reacted by deciding that I was going to show him that my dick was way bigger than his dick. I lost. Turns out my dick is actually really, really tiny, and I have balls the size of peanuts. I suspect Jared Tendler might have something to say about this. Anyway, I decided that this might be what I've heard you poker players call 'tilt', so I stopped playing. I have now learned my lesson, my genitals have returned to their former magnificent proportions and next time I will either take the +EV opportunity against the obvious bluff or fold and play with my brain, not my reproductive organs.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

jbpatzer (BB) (t1520)
SB (t1480)

Preflop: jbpatzer is BB with A♠, Q♠
SB bets t60, jbpatzer raises to t180, SB calls t120

Flop: (t360) 5♦, 6♦, 5♥ (2 players)
jbpatzer bets t180, SB raises to t1300 (All-In), jbpatzer calls t1120

Turn: (t2960) 7♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2960) 10:club: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2960

Results:
SB had A♥, 8♥ (one pair, fives).
jbpatzer had A♠, Q♠ (one pair, fives).
Outcome: jbpatzer won t2960

Lesson learnt. :f_thumbsup:


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Originally posted by jbpatzer
Outcome: jbpatzer won t2960

Lesson learnt. :f_thumbsup:

lol

Real tough these games, aye?


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by luizsilveira

Originally posted by jbpatzer
Outcome: jbpatzer won t2960

Lesson learnt. :f_thumbsup:

lol

Real tough these games, aye?

$1.50 is 5% of my bankroll, so yes, they're tough, tough, tough.


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

I seem to have stepped into a bizarre parallel universe where anyone could call with anything at any time, and usually will.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

jbpatzer (SB) (t2715)
BB (t285)

jbpatzer's M: 60.33

Preflop: jbpatzer is SB with A♣, 2♦
jbpatzer bets t2715 (All-In), BB calls t255 (All-In)

Flop: (t570) 8♠, 5♣, A♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t570) 6♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t570) J♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t570

Results:
jbpatzer had A♣, 2♦ (one pair, Aces).
BB had 9♥, 6♠ (one pair, sixes).
Outcome: jbpatzer won t570

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB (t740)
jbpatzer (BB) (t2260)

jbpatzer's M: 75.33

Preflop: jbpatzer is BB with 10:club:, 10:diamond:
SB bets t60, jbpatzer raises to t180, SB raises to t740 (All-In), jbpatzer calls t560

Flop: (t1480) K♦, J♣, A♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1480) 8♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1480) 10:spade: (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t1480

Results:
SB had J♦, 5♥ (one pair, Jacks).
jbpatzer had 10:club:, 10:diamond: (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: jbpatzer won t1480


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tcs35
Joined: 31.01.2009

look dude take TT up on his offer, you gotta wait another month probably till the ftp hearing and ftp wont be instantly up if they do get a new license imo


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Originally posted by TobyCS
look dude take TT up on his offer, you gotta wait another month probably till the ftp hearing and ftp wont be instantly up if they do get a new license imo

I've not stopped grinding NL50 because of FT, I've stopped because I have some rl stuff to deal with, and I need a break from taking poker seriously. This HU stuff is pure fun for me. I will definitely be back at SH in October at the latest. Family + job + poker is a real stretch at the best of times, and these aren't the best of times atm.


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tcs35
Joined: 31.01.2009

Originally posted by jbpatzer

Originally posted by TobyCS
look dude take TT up on his offer, you gotta wait another month probably till the ftp hearing and ftp wont be instantly up if they do get a new license imo

I've not stopped grinding NL50 because of FT, I've stopped because I have some rl stuff to deal with, and I need a break from taking poker seriously. This HU stuff is pure fun for me. I will definitely be back at SH in October at the latest. Family + job + poker is a real stretch at the best of times, and these aren't the best of times atm.

oh ok, didn't realise. hope it all works out dandy :) and see you crushing poker again in oct


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jbpatzer
Joined: 23.11.2009

Mrsjb has just come back from Redditch with my mother-in-law and her two dogs. They're going to be staying for a few days.

Shoot me now. :f_cry:


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TheBrood
Joined: 17.07.2008

I am not on the best terms with my inlaws atm.

That may or may not have been planned in order for them to stop coming to visit un-announced with like 6 other people whenever they feel like it.


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