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[Closed] fold KK pre-flop and slow played flop nut overbet river.

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nebaromani
Joined: 01.04.2011

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP3$28.30:///////;CO$10.00:///////;BU$19.30:///////;SB (Hero)$46.03:///////;BB$22.16:///////;UTG2$24.65:///////;MP1$25.35:///////;MP2$20.43:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is SB with K:d, K:h.
5 folds, BU raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.25, BB raises to $3.75, BU raises to $7.00, Hero folds, BB raises to $22.41, BU calls $12.30.

Flop: ($43.71) T:s, K:c, 3:s (2 players)

Turn: ($43.71) 5:h (2 players)

River: ($43.71) 3:d (2 players)

Final Pot: $43.71.
Results follow:

BU shows two pairs, aces and threes(A:d A:c).
BB shows two pairs, queens and threes(Q:s Q:h).

BU wins with two pairs, aces and threes(A:d A:c).

Is it ok to fold KK in this situation PF, because there's so many min-raising going on that I'm almost certain at least one of them has AA

and second question:

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

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$0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]UTG2$25.91:///////;MP1 (Hero)$31.04:///////;MP2$25.35:///////;MP3$18.60:///////;CO$25.60:///////;BU$29.83:///////;SB$26.95:///////;BB$10.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J:h, Q:h.
UTG2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 3 folds, BU calls $0.75, 2 folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($1.85) T:h, K:c, 9:d (2 players)
Hero checks, BU checks.

Turn: ($1.85) 3:c (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BU calls $1.25.

River: ($4.35) A:c (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BU raises to $11.00, Hero calls $5.50.

Final Pot: $26.35.
Results follow:

BU shows a flush, ace high(4:c Q:c).
Hero shows a straight, ace high(J:h Q:h).

BU wins with a flush, ace high(4:c Q:c).

Is this line of play OK? I thought he could be min-raising on the river with flushes, rivered two pair (like AT or so) and also stupidly slow played sets..


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yougotfelted51
Joined: 04.02.2010

bet flop bet turn, or bet flop/check raise turn in hand 2


Hi there nebaromani,

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Maniatrix
Joined: 01.11.2008

If you fold KK preflop, don't tell anyone in the chat... Unlike 3barrelling big on a missed board, folding KK pre is not something you want people to know you can do.

And, I wouldn't fold KK pre here unless you have a large sample of your opponents being nits.


nebaromani
Joined: 01.04.2011

you wouldn't fold KK even if there's been so many min-raising like in this hand? Yeah, with telling that in the chat, just wanted to highlight what a cooler this hand was. Stats told me that these weren't the loosest guy's at the table, but sample wasn't big. in fact it was just 60-70 hands. But in this case I think it's just obvious that someone has bullets.


1- seems like one of them have aces, so folding is fine
2- c-bet flop. Turn and river are fine


Maniatrix
Joined: 01.11.2008

you wouldn't fold KK even if there's been so many min-raising like in this hand?

I would have a hard time without stats, then again I don't play without a hud. Would hate folding KK against maniacs or lags.