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180 man turbo 2.5$

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NL Holdem $50(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($1,215)
BB ($3,281)
Hero ($4,235)
UTG+1 ($1,550)
UTG+2 ($1,456)
MP1 ($1,565)
MP2 ($1,530)
CO ($1,688)
BTN ($1,440)

Dealt to Hero J♠ J♣

Hero raises to $150, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $1,215 (AI),

Hero???

Unknown


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Call.


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kevvu
Joined: 11.05.2008

Hey,
Without reads easy fold. Cause you raise from UTG, cause of that his range is too strong for us to call his ship.


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Mon3yMaChin3
Joined: 15.03.2011

Originally posted by Saruniks
Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $50(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($1,215)
BB ($3,281)
Hero ($4,235)
UTG+1 ($1,550)
UTG+2 ($1,456)
MP1 ($1,565)
MP2 ($1,530)
CO ($1,688)
BTN ($1,440)

Dealt to Hero J♠ J♣

Hero raises to $150, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $1,215 (AI),

Hero???

Unknown

Easy Call,This Hand is +EV,Most of the times with this hand you'll be far ahead...Easy call.


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Looks like easy fold, unless you believe that his range is wider than AK+, TT+


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The consensus from the previous posts is that this is easy, but they disagree on whether it is an easy call or an easy fold.

I don't find these decisions easy. I'm inclined to call. I think there are enough players who will not respect the UTG raise or who are tired of having 1200 chips who will shove with 44 to make calling correct. I don't think that's a good play for the SB to make, but you aren't playing turbo $2.50 tournaments to see only great poker. In addition, I think many players with KK+ would make a smaller raise instead of pushing.

Mathematically, you are not that risk-averse since you have the short stack covered and are far from the bubble. You need about 45% equity against the SB's range to call. Against a premium hand (JJ+ AK), JJ only has 36.6% equity. Against a much wider range of 88-KK ATs+ AQo+, JJ has 57.1% equity.

Another way to look at it is that when you aren't getting great odds on a call, then against a good opponent's push you want to fold the bottom of your range and call with the top of your range. JJ looks great normally, but since you are UTG 9-handed it might not be very far from the bottom of your raising range. So, it's ok to fold against a good opponent who puts you on a tight range. However, I wouldn't give all players credit for being good players, and I expect them to play back at UTG raises too often.


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Tarhonya
Joined: 18.07.2010

I'd snapcall this because of the stacksizes. I think most players won't push the top of their ranges, they tend to trap with them by raising low, and even if you run into a better hand, it's not hurting your stack that bad.


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Targetme
Joined: 04.05.2009

without reads snap call. Vs the biggest nit its still a snap call at this early stage imo you need a stack to win these.

I reg these sometimes and I can tell you my range in villians spot. Its 1010 aq + which your ahead of. At higher 180's i might look at stats to see if I can get away but at 2.50's I wont even waste my time and snap call jj 1010 here


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thanks

I folded though :f_cry:

I had allready big stack and thought I would get better spot somewhere and not to get broke on 25BB stack


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CollinMoshman
Joined: 20.09.2011

As usual I second pzhon's post. While it's not a trivial call, an unknown player in the $2 180s should be on a wide enough range here that you can profitably call.

If the player had stats of say 15/6 after 100 hands I would fold.


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b0b01111
Joined: 08.01.2009

imo all comes here to how he plays..if his stats show he's a tight player instant fold


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dangermowse
Joined: 24.10.2010

This would probably be a call in a STT factoring in ICM let alone early in a 180 man! I'd call with AK/TT in most cases. It's unsual anyone straight jams QQ-AA so you'll be looking at TT/AQs-AKo here a massive % of the time.


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Equalibrio
Joined: 10.11.2011

snapcall..


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:thinking: I would have a glance at stats and as someone said above, would fold if it's a tight guy and call against most.


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Tarhonya
Joined: 18.07.2010

That's a blast from the past!


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Yeah, I will be mass grinding the 2.50$ turbos for a living and I am gathering information from all over the internet! :f_drink:


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by Tarhonya
That's a blast from the past!

That for sure, but I will move it to the appropriate hand discussion board. It’s a snap call for sure with JJ.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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mylove190207
Joined: 10.04.2011

Yea I agree with call here. With 25bb deep it is positive chip EV call and opponent is definitely 3bet shoving wider then TT+, AK. My assumption is that he is 3bet shoving with at least AQ+, 99+. If not even wider. Unless if you have read that he is tight. But against unknown it is good call.

GL at tables!


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UPAY4DINNER
Joined: 28.09.2009

I call in 2011 but probably fold in 2016


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

Originally posted by UPAY4DINNER
I call in 2011 but probably fold in 2016

That’s interesting. Why is that?


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