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$15 180 Isolating wide regular?

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PtiiiPtaaa
Joined: 03.12.2010

No Limit Holdem Tournament
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8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com
$13.77+$1.23

Stacks:
UTG (3,175)
UTG+1 (3,306)
PtiiiPtaaa (MP1) (4,310)
MP2 (5,389)
CO (2,012)
BTN (3,847)
SB (4,150)
BB (5,180)

Blinds: 200/400 Ante 50

Pre-Flop: (1,000, 8 players) PtiiiPtaaa is MP1 9♦ A♠
1 fold, UTG+1 goes all-in 3,256, PtiiiPtaaa folds, 5 folds

Final Pot: 4,256

UTG+1 wins 4,256 (net +950)

So this hand is quite strange in my opinion. utg+1 is a very good regular pushes for 8 bb. (don't know or i can mantion his name?)

I expect his range to be somewhat like this:

22+,A4s+,K8s+,Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A8o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo

My hand, A9o would have 47.7 % against this range.

If we look at potodds, we only need 43,3% to call/isolate in this spot.
Looks like an easy push. However, if we consider we have 5 players behind us, the spot looks less attractive.

So my question is: Does anybody have a standard rule for this?

For example for every player behind us we need 1% more equity to make this call.

Regards,
PtiiiPtaaa


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Atoks
Joined: 01.06.2008

Ur position here is not good enough to justify calling with A9o. U will simply end up crushed in a 3way pot too often. Fold and wait for a better spot.
About rules to justify calls like this, I think u should look into edge related matters. That should clear up a lot.


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PtiiiPtaaa
Joined: 03.12.2010

He Atoks, thnx for you answer(s)! :)

I kinda agree with being to early to make this push , so therefore i folded my a9 here. However, if you are in sb/bb i asume you call happily?


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Atoks
Joined: 01.06.2008

Originally posted by PtiiiPtaaa

I kinda agree with being to early to make this push , so therefore i folded my a9 here. However, if you are in sb/bb i asume you call happily?

Depends on my reads and notes. A9o really isn't a great hand as it doesn't dominate very often. I would discourage calling with Ax type hands in this spot until u have a solid image of ur opponents play.


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snap fold, AINEC

also if u were in SB is fold too

in BB if u had reads that he is making a ton -EV shoves form EP imo is close but i also lean toward fold and is btn of calling range imo, I call something like A9s+,66+,AT+ sometimes KQ/KJs if i had read that he is shoving very wide there


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DonBartos
Joined: 19.08.2008

Hi,

The problem with SNG Wiz is that it overrated Ax hands, and you can't manually edit ranges (so you cant add broadway or pair hands and leave some Ax hands out, you can only keep adding Ax hands). But it still gives some sort of an indication.

The first shot is a calculation where we use a range that's what I think he'd be shoving in general, without reads. Again note that SNG Wiz adds to many Ax hands instead of pairs/broadways so you're actually doing it somewhat worse against his actual range.

The second one is where the breakeven point is at, If you think he'd be shoving wider than this second range, you could call. Otherwise you should definately fold here. Again note that there might be too many Ax hands which you dominate instead of other hands where you're more or less flipping against, which again unrightfully increases your equity.


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PtiiiPtaaa
Joined: 03.12.2010

Thnx again monsieur Bartos!

Like the 2nd range better. But as you said, his range is probably more weighted to broadways/ higher sc's then to Ax.

I could not imagine him folding QTs for example.

ATo is bottom then for Axo in this spot i guess :)


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Originally posted by PtiiiPtaaa
Thnx again monsieur Bartos!

Like the 2nd range better. But as you said, his range is probably more weighted to broadways/ higher sc's then to Ax.

I could not imagine him folding QTs for example.

ATo is bottom then for Axo in this spot i guess :)

i go for AQ+/88+ (77+/AJ+ if he is loose) as btn of your range in this spot


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