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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Omaha is a fucked up game.
I get it in with a suited AAxx and the worst equity! The most dominated hand of all had the best equity in this scenario:

BB: $3.18
UTG: $0.83
MP: $0.96
CO: $0.35
BTN: $2.00
Hero (SB): $2.11

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A :spade: A :diamond: 6 :club: 9 :spade:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.06, CO raises to $0.21, BTN calls $0.21, Hero raises to $0.92, BB raises to $3.18 all in, MP calls $0.90 all in, CO calls $0.14 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.19 all in

Flop: ($5.74) 8 :club: J :club: 3 :club: (4 players - 4 are all in)

Turn: ($5.74) K :diamond: (4 players - 4 are all in)

River: ($5.74) 7 :spade: (4 players - 4 are all in)

Final Pot: $5.74
BB shows 9 :diamond: T :spade: 7 :diamond: 5 :spade: (a straight, Seven to Jack)
MP shows T :club: Q :spade: 6 :heart: A :club: (a flush, Ace high)
CO mucks A :heart: 4 :diamond: 5 :heart: 4 :spade:
Hero shows A :spade: A :diamond: 6 :club: 9 :spade: (a pair of Aces)
BB wins $2.19
MP wins $1.74
MP wins $1.53
(Rake: $0.28)


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

[x] Up 5 Stacks today (I don't leave after 80+BB now, i leave if the table is bad)
[x] 19 Stacks under EV over ~7k hands
[ ] swings are reasonable

Finally running over EV !!... oh wait


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

BTN: $4.37
Hero (SB): $0.84
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.46
UTG+1: $0.99
MP1: $2.26
MP2: $1.50
CO: $1.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A :heart: 4 :spade: 4 :club: A :spade:
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.22, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.18, BTN calls $0.18

Flop: ($0.92) K :club: 8 :spade: 5 :diamond: (4 players)
Hero bets $0.62 all in, MP2 calls $0.62, CO raises to $1.56 all in, BTN calls $1.56, MP2 calls $0.66 all in

Turn: ($5.94) 9 :spade: (4 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($5.94) 9 :heart: (4 players - 3 are all in)

Spoiler

Final Pot: $5.94
BTN shows 6 :spade: 5 :spade: 7 :diamond: 6 :heart: (a straight, Five to Nine)
Hero mucks A :heart: 4 :spade: 4 :club: A :spade:
MP2 mucks Q :diamond: A :diamond: 8 :heart: 3 :diamond:
CO shows A :club: 2 :diamond: K :heart: T :diamond: (two pair, Kings and Nines)
BTN wins $0.53
BTN wins $1.88
BTN wins $3.24
(Rake: $0.29)

Shipping the money in way behind with a 1.5:1 SPR made me think. This flop doesn't connect at all but every single one of the 4 guys had a reason to call (ofc I had the worst equity), even both of the guys with onepair and no redraw blocking each others backdoorouts had way better equity than I had. Is there a number or any clue where I can say I just c/f my overpair here although there is absoultely no draw on the board, except for a very unlikely wrap?

Funny hand today
http://www.pokerhand.org/?6209271


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Running alot better now, I implemented some changes to my game. Lost a few bigger pots at the end of the session, but still better than what happened the days before.

Sidenote: Rake is something between 8-9BB/100.. which is pwetty sick. Considering that I'm shortstacking, people must be really bad :)


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006


[x]10k hands


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

BB: $13.73
UTG: $10.42
Hero (MP): $2.00
CO: $7.60
BTN: $5.00
SB: $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with Q :spade: K :club: 3 :club: A :club:
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.18, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.18, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.13

Flop: ($0.61) 8 :club: 5 :club: 9 :club: (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.58, BTN folds, UTG calls $0.58

Turn: ($1.77) 7 :diamond: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.24 all in, UTG calls $1.24

River: ($4.25) 5 :diamond: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $4.25
UTG shows 8 :heart: 7 :club: T :diamond: 6 :club: (a straight flush, Five to Nine)
Hero mucks Q :spade: K :club: 3 :club: A :club:
UTG wins $4.05
(Rake: $0.20)

Shot is going wrong atm. Gotta step down again.
edit: Stepped down played a bit, stepped up again owned -> Profit. Still down for the day but positive in EV at last.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Been playing some really nitty 100bb poker:

UTG: $1.67
MP: $2.60
CO: $1.23
BTN: $4.60
SB: $0.78
Hero (BB): $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with 8 :club: T :club: K :heart: 9 :club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, 1 fold, SB calls $0.01, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.08) J :club: T :diamond: Q :spade: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, MP raises to $0.23, CO calls $0.23, SB folds, Hero folds

Turn: ($0.59) 7 :club: (2 players)
MP bets $0.36, CO calls $0.36

River: ($1.31) 5 :heart: (2 players)
MP checks, CO bets $0.62 all in, MP calls $0.62

Final Pot: $2.55
MP shows 9 :diamond: 4 :heart: J :diamond: T :spade: (two pair, Jacks and Tens)
CO shows 8 :heart: A :diamond: 3 :diamond: A :spade: (a pair of Aces)
MP wins $2.43
(Rake: $0.12)

I knew the fold was bad the instance i mucked

3 golden rules of 100bb PLO microstakes I've learnt through experience:
- No one ever freerolls you. If you have the nuts without a redraw, just ship in 500bb deep and get called by the naked draw.
- While getting alot of 3bet/calls trying to outflop me when I was shortstacked, people now with 100bb just stick it in preflop with anypair higher than JJ no backup of course. It seems they are scared of shortstacks having AAxx :)
- If there are worse hands that might call/raise never fold the 2nd nuts!


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

The EV Gap is getting ridicilous.. but it's Omaha so whatever. But with my 15BB/100 in EV I wonder how swings are for those at the highstakes, that only have like 4-5BB/100 EV.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Haven't posted in a while for two reasons: Haven't played that much omaha, had to move down + went on to lose more and reinstalled my OS.

I will take a break from Omaha for a little while and come back to play 40BB stacks. 100BB+ is way to swingy for me and EV counts for nothing in this game.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

I'm back playing the deepstacked Omaha games. Running decent atm. I've changed to a nitty 19/15 style, that works a little better for me.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

First Session after the big break:

I'm still a little uncomfortable with the big pots oop, but we'll see.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Back playing some PLO 5, I switched to 50bb and play a few tables only. It seems I have a decent edge and I'll try grinding/moving up in PLO now. Slowly but steadily.

Some things that I can't grasp even by now:
- What's with the 50% donk range that fish have when limp/calling and quickly fullpot donking in HU pots? Adaption?
- Why are high vpip players (80%ish) that have little clue of the game sophisticated enough to play call flop, call turn, shove river in spots like AKTx on QT9x9 on a regular basis? Maybe I'm too transparent when 3barreling my KJxx,QQxx only there? Shouldn't I? Adaption is change to c/c rvr? Or bet/call if the frequency is too high?
- Call from the BB any4 in the first hand after sitting in and bluff c/r good flops seems to be standard too. I've noticed a couple of players doing that every time they sit in.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

late 2011+2012 hopefully shotting PLO10 soon.


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006


[x] make mental note to never post winning/upswing graphs again


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Hi man!! :P

Really feal sorry for ya b/c I see in every graph you run under EV.

I also took a shot at PLO10 and run 5BI under EV in just 1100hands ,but somehow still in black :)

Just keep grinding probably things will get around for ya :)

Would love to see a winning player who run above EV ,they probably don't exist :f_biggrin:


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Used to bother me but now I don't look at graphs anymore, I think EV-graphs in PLO mean close to nothing on such a sample.

I'll be posting more hands less graphs :)

BB: $5.00
UTG: $6.27
MP: $11.70
Hero (CO): $3.07
BTN: $2.25
SB: $2.26

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with K :spade: 6 :club: T :spade: A :club:
1 fold, MP calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.22, 3 folds, MP calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.51) 5 :spade: 8 :spade: K :diamond: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.41, MP calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.33) T :heart: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.10, MP calls $1.10

River: ($3.53) J :spade: (2 players)
MP bets $3.36, Hero calls $1.34 all in

Opponent is some random guy. I have 2 questions:
- With the SPR on the river it's a clear call, he can bluff off to cheaply or overvalue his T hi flush amirite?
- Should I try to avoid these spots by potcontrolling flop/turn or betting smaller, so I can have the option to fold rivers? Let's say I had the 3rd or 4th nutflush or the board bricked and I have the lonely top two and he jams half pot (hypothetically).


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

Another quick one

100bb deep
doublesuited crappy AAxx is still a must3bet ip given a 34/27 9AF random loose guy?
give up on this flop ok?
SB: $3.90
BB: $5.19
UTG: $18.61
MP: $12.51
CO: $5.73
Hero (BTN): $4.48

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with 7 :club: 2 :diamond: A :diamond: A :club:
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.22, Hero raises to $0.78, 3 folds, CO calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.68) Q :club: 8 :heart: T :spade: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.68) K :spade: (2 players)
CO bets $1.12, Hero folds


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hova
Joined: 09.11.2006

SB: $2.44
BB: $2.93
Hero (CO): $2.16
BTN: $4.31

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 3 :spade: Q :club: Q :spade: 9 :club:
Hero raises to $0.07, 1 fold, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.21) 5 :diamond: A :heart: A :club: (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Turn: ($0.47) Q :heart: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.27, SB raises to $0.54, Hero raises to $1.96 all in, SB calls $1.42

River: ($4.39) 2 :spade: (2 players - 1 is all in)

Opponent is 44/11 random guy. Do I overvalue my FH on the turn? Do you think he'll fold Axxx?


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