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The Final Boss of 3BETS! (Coaching Thread)

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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009


:diamond: WHEN: TUESDAYS 20:00 CEST
:diamond: WHERE: Our Twitch Channel
:diamond: WHAT: Join your coach on a month-long Journey as he takes himself and you from mere mortals to the Final Bosses of 3Bet pots!
WEEK1 25TH JULY: PREFLOP - Video
WEEK2 1ST AUGUST: CALLING 3BETS - Video
WEEK3 8TH AUGUST: AFTER WE 3BET - Video

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HANDS WE'LL GO OVER:
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2687116#post2687116
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2690252#post2690252

WEEK4 15TH AUGUST SERIES FINALE: COOL HANDS AND BOSSING IT UP AT THE TABLES - Video
In every good fighting game the players first test the waters and dispatch bland enemies that don't put up any resistance. As they progress they face adversaries more cunning, more capable, harder to conquer until finally they face HIM. The Big Bad. El Capitano...The FINAL BOSS! And now it's time to Become THE FINAL BOSS OF 3BETS!


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

For This Tuesday POST HERE DIFFICULT OR COOL PREFLOP SPOTS WHERE YOU EITHER 3BET OR GOT 3BET
And any questions you'd like to see investigated.

Let's become the Final Bosses of 3bets together!


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imgoingtomirage
Joined: 03.07.2010

This gonna be good :f_drink:


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/view.php/id/8405702 Don´t know if it´s cool. Villain´s stats u can see in the commentary if u click on the link (there is BB 3b I thought he was on BB, so thats quite useless). OTF I don´t like folding because this flop doesn´t hit him at all, so my plan was to call and somehow outplay villain on later streets. When I hit my A, I didn´t need to bluff him out anymore, so I just called it down. If he checked OTR I would bet 1/2 myself. One more important thing is, that villain doesn´t cbet OTT (he´s never done it so far), but that´s in normal pots, in 3b ones it might differ.

Edit: I just realized, it don´t matter whether the hand is cool, you don´t have any others anyway :P, poor you .


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Edit: I just realized, it don´t matter whether the hand is cool, you don´t have any others anyway :P , poor you .

I'll come save the day then :coolface:

Actually these probably aren't super cool or interesting either but it's better than nothing :f_biggrin:
If more are needed I can dig up a few :)

Situation - 3b IP and miss flop
Got two examples of this where I 3bet IP and don't hit much on flop. Plan in these hands for me is usually to just check back OTF with intention of giving up most of the time if villain bets turn (unless we improve). But if villain checks turn, I bet small (33%) OTT and barrel pretty much any river a bit larger (60%).

Reason for the sizing is that his range is super weak OTT after checking twice. So if we had a value hand we would usually bet small to get value from that weak range and with air we can do the same. If he folds to the small bet, great. If he calls the small bet, his range is still very weak and a bigger bet OTR will take it down very often. Of course I don't do this on every single runout, do have to consider the villain and the board but the vast majority of the time it simply seems to work.

Just wanted to know your opinion on this thought process :)

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $2.66 (133 bb)
CO: $2.73 (136.5 bb)
BTN: $4.31 (215.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♦: 4♦:
4 folds, SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.16, SB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) 4♥: 7♣: T♠: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.32) Q♦: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.11, SB calls $0.11

River: ($0.54) K♠: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.31, SB folds

Results: $0.54 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: 4♥: 7♣: T♠: Q♦: K♠:
SB mucked and lost (-$0.27 net)
Hero mucked J♦: 4♦: and won $0.52 ($0.25 net)

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.70 (235 bb)
BB: $2.04 (102 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $3.61 (180.5 bb)
CO: $3.75 (187.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.44 (122 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5♥: A♥:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.16, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.35) 7♦: 6♣: J♦: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.35) 2♣: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.11, CO calls $0.11

River: ($0.57) Q♠: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.33, CO folds

Results: $0.57 pot ($0.02 rake)
Final Board: 7♦: 6♣: J♦: 2♣: Q♠:
CO mucked and lost (-$0.27 net)
Hero mucked 5♥: A♥: and won $0.55 ($0.28 net)


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

TOnight's the night ladies and gentlemen
POST YOUR DIFFICULT OR COOL PREFLOP SPOTS IN 3BETS AND WE'LL INCLUDE THEM TONIGHT!


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TJtheTJ
Joined: 12.10.2011

Oh I didn't realize this was about preflop, sorry :f_eek::f_ugly:

In that case a general question I have for tonight is what you think about a very 3bet-heavy preflop strategy at micro stakes.

Personally I don't really call open raises preflop very often except in the BB and would rather 3bet a ton and either:
- Play a bigger pot IP with a postflop edge
- Play OOP but with iniative against a relatively weak range (when 3betting from blinds vs BTN)

I don't really have much of a flatting range except in the BB. SB I will also have some sort of flatting range against UTG/MP because their ranges are a bit stronger and 3betting wide against them OOP seems like a bad idea. Those are the only positions where I have a relatively 'wide' flatting range, in other positions it's pretty much just some PPs.

I often hear people say that this (3betting a lot and not flatting much) is generally not a good approach especially at the lowest stakes. For me it seems to be fairly effective so far over a small sample at the Zoom tables, although I do think you need to have at least a solid idea of what to do postflop. If you just start 3betting a lot without a postflop plan, I don't think it will work no matter what.

Thoughts?

Some simple examples, not super exciting but feel like I should put at least a few here :)

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.26 (113 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.99 (149.5 bb)
UTG: $8.07 (403.5 bb)
MP: $1.02 (51 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.03 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5♣: Q♥:
4 folds, SB raises to $0.05, Hero raises to $0.15, SB folds

Results: $0.10 pot
Hero mucked 5♣: Q♥: and won $0.10 ($0.05 net)

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
BB: $3.82 (191 bb)
UTG: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
MP: $2.29 (114.5 bb)
CO: $6.16 (308 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.01 (100.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K♦: 9♦:
2 folds, CO raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.21, 2 folds, CO raises to $6.16 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results: $0.45 pot
CO mucked and won $0.45 ($0.24 net)

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.66 (183 bb)
BB: $3.24 (162 bb)
UTG: $2.10 (105 bb)
Hero (MP): $2.07 (103.5 bb)
CO: $0.50 (25 bb)
BTN: $5.19 (259.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q♥: K♣:
UTG raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.16, 5 folds

Results: $0.15 pot
Hero mucked Q♥: K♣: and won $0.15 ($0.09 net)


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016
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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

I would like to participate but 20 cest is 3pm here in Brazil is working time. I'll watch later on.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Damn, I feel bad because I haven't participated in your coachings in a loooong time and now it looks like I MAYBE can't do so this time either :( But I will of course watch these later :)


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

No worries
there's always the recording :)
Make sure you watch and ask questions under the video and you shall get your answers


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_thumbsup:


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DeadMensHand
Joined: 31.10.2006

done


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

ladies and gentlemen, SERIES FINALE TONIGHT 20:00
lots of action focusing on 3bets!
See you at
https://www.twitch.tv/pokerstrategydotcom <


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

We are starting in a few minutes
I will ask in chat
POST COOL 3B POTS HERE AND WE WILL TAKE A LOOK LIVE, DURING COACHING!


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $16.24 (101.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $25.20 (157.5 bb)
UTG: $17.55 (109.7 bb)
MP: $19.36 (121 bb)
CO: $16 (100 bb)
BTN: $21.61 (135.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4♣: A♣:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.44, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.44, BTN calls $1

Flop: ($2.96) A♠: Q♥: T♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($2.96) 3♣: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.76, BTN calls $1.76

River: ($6.48) T♠: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.08, Hero calls $6.08

Results:

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$18.64 pot ($0.84 rake)
Final Board: A♠: Q♥: T♣: 3♣: T♠:
Hero showed 4♣: A♣: and won $17.80 ($8.52 net)
BTN showed K♣: 8♣: and lost (-$9.28 net)


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