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10NL QQ Mp vs Sb on 875r/7 3b pot turn fold

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Anomic
Joined: 15.01.2012

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$0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BU$23.00:///////;SB$10.00:///////;BB$6.45:///////;MP2$10.15:///////;MP3 (Hero)$10.74:///////;CO$3.90:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:s, Q:c.
MP2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.00, BB folds, Hero calls $0.70.

Flop: ($2.1) 8:s, 5:c, 7:h (2 players)
SB bets $1.33, Hero calls $1.33.

Turn: ($4.76) 7:c (2 players)
SB bets $3.02, Hero folds, SB gets uncalled bet back.

Final Pot: $4.76.

Seems very nitty/ bad but I really didn't think he has JJ or worse here. Small sample but he hadnt 3b in the blinds vs mp before...


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Zanardi1
Joined: 04.01.2010

I don't have a precise answer here, but I'd like to know what was the postflop plan. At these limits, it's strictly set-mining, but I doubt that you can use QQ only for this. If you say he is nitty (how nitty?), then 4betting QQ isn't an option either, because you'll fold to a shove (or, if you'd call, you hope that he has AK).


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey Anomic,

Preflop defend is fine. Often this situation can end up being very close to a set-mine vs a nitty 3better.

Assuming he doesn't have a bluff-range preflop, then flop situation really comes down to how many combos of AK does he cbet. Some guys won't even have that in their preflop 3betting range if tight. In some situations the flop can even be a fold since we could be up exclusively vs KK/AA/

I think folding turn is pretty standard here despite holding an overpair.


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Zanardi1
Joined: 04.01.2010

Originally posted by w34z3l
Hey Anomic,

Preflop defend is fine. Often this situation can end up being very close to a set-mine vs a nitty 3better.

Would you 4bet here?


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

By default I might have a 4bet range, but it's probably not that necessary. i) The guy looks pretty tight and may never be bluffing, so no fold-equity and ii) guys don't 3bet wide SB vs MP at these limits anyway, so we can generally assume a tight range even from an unknown.

Also we wouldn't want to ever 4bet bluff something that was a profitable flat. Seeing as we'd likely be crushed by his 5bet range the mainly value in 4betting would be to hope we have some fold-equity - and we can do this with hands that can't profitable call vs a 3bet rather than QQ.

So flatting QQ is basically the only option here unless further information about villain comes to light.


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Anomic
Joined: 15.01.2012

Originally posted by Zanardi1
I don't have a precise answer here, but I'd like to know what was the postflop plan. At these limits, it's strictly set-mining, but I doubt that you can use QQ only for this. If you say he is nitty (how nitty?), then 4betting QQ isn't an option either, because you'll fold to a shove (or, if you'd call, you hope that he has AK).

I was talking about my fold looking pretty nitty/bad when I posted this :f_tongue:

And yeah I'd always call QQ to a 3bet in Mp unless the 3bettor is very loose and doesn't fold to 4bets often.


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And3street
Joined: 02.12.2008

realy, folding the turn seam a little tight play. Am I the only guy here that thinks that, Damm this hud stats. What if he has 99-JJ hand that we beat. Sure there are AA, KK full houses, but we have to consider getting a call on the Turn. He would 3 bet this kind of hands cause he's out of position and he might consider you a good player, So for his mind on bet bet bet is logic to play against you. IMAO

I would call he's AI and take note on him, What ever happens. To be sure the next time we meet. You dont have many hands on him keep that in mind


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