NL10 Zoom 4tabling tips

What are your blind winrates? If your combined losing total is less than 70bb/100 you are fine for NL10 and should probably first look to increase your IP winrate.

Hi, sorry to hijack OP's thread, but I have been curious about my stats from the blinds for a while now. I'm not sure where I am going wrong exactly, but it seems like I have a fairly big leak out of the blinds.

Here's my SB/BB stats over last 75k hands:

BB/100 / VPIP / PFR / 3bet / WTSD / W$SD / AF

SB: -26.97 / 18.2 / 14.4 / 5.1 / 20.7 / 58 / 5.68
BB: -33.89 / 15.3 / 6.3 / 5.6 / 22.5 / 49.4 / 2.6

Is there anything noticeably wrong with these stats? maybe in VPIP/PFR area?

So my assumption that getting reads while 4tabling zoom is not possible or that it is ineffective because of the large player pool is wrong?

Do you suggest ever taking notes? Or just remembering all and everything? The latter seems rather hard and short-term (since it will be hard to remember the same things during the next session) while the former looks like something that I can do only during reviewing.

Is there anything noticeably wrong with these stats? maybe in VPIP/PFR area?

As far as I know, it is not really possible to ever have a positive winrate from the blinds and yours seems fine, I guess.

Originally posted by Avatars91
Those are very good discussions, however, I am struggling with a problem of much different nature – determining opponents' ranges.

Since I am 4tabling and the player pool for NL10 on Zoom is rather big I cannot really make any notes or even remember my opponents too well. So I am basically left in the dark when it comes to determining someone's range. Hence the problem with finding a good 3Bet range. Some of them fold a lot, some of them call with junk. So how do I play? What should my standard be? Or does the problem lie in the fact that I am not even trying to get any reads even though it is not completely impossible?

My winrates based on position:

SB: -13,79
BB: -30,86
EP: 9.60
MP: 9.69
CO: 8.33
BU: 18.48

I often find people calling 3Bets IP very often so it is difficult for me to defend my blinds aggressively with mediocre hands. I am left with cold-calling OOP for the most part.

When you feel that you should take a note, just click the replay button (on the top left of the table you played the hand), find the opponent and take the note you want. Note taking is a very effective way to find people's tendecies and exploit them.

Taking notes is ineffective when you make useless notes. I consider useless notes those that just replay the action.

If you don't ever review, how do you expect to get better and climb through the limits? Poker is not about playing according to some charts, it's getting to know what your opponents do and exploit it as much as possible. If you don't do that, you'll be break even or losing because of the rake.

I usually play about 10k hands at the "new limit" then review, make notes and return only if needed. For me this one review will be enough because I get a good idea of how people play and only make notes from time to time. I probably have a better memory than the average player though and a better feeling for the game in Zoom.

Do that review now, make the notes. You'll start seeing how most opponent's will have close to the same notes which means similar tendencies, which means you can make it your default assumption and not require to make a note in the future.

@Danny:

Your 3bet percentage is very small in the blinds and it's probably the cause of your bad winrate. I think if you simply start increasing your 3bet by 2-3% and NEVER put in money in the pot postflop unless you have a hand you'll improve. Overall, it's not too bad but there's definitely a lot you can improve there.