Ask me anything about 6-max: pleno1's coaching thread

€3/€6 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player3 (€213.15) 36bb
UTG+1 pleno1 (€1,365.30) 228bb
CO Player5 (€600) 100bb
BTN Player6 (€1,187.85) 198bb
SB Player1 (€86.55) 14bb
BB Player2 (€817.80) 136bb

Pre-Flop: (€9, 6 players) pleno1 is UTG+1 8♣ 7♥
1 fold, pleno1 raises to €24, Player5 calls €18, Player6 calls €24, 2 folds

Flop: 5♥ Q♠ 7♠ (€75, 3 players)
pleno1 bets €42, Player5 folds, Player6 calls €42

Turn: 9♦ (€159, 2 players)
pleno1 bets €212, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €159

pleno1 wins €586 (net +€308)

Player5 lost €18
Player6 lost €66

€3/€6 No Limit Holdem
Prima
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB pleno1 (€1,579.65) 263bb
BB Player3 (€200) 33bb

Pre-Flop: (€9, 2 players) pleno1 is SB 6♣ K♣
pleno1 raises to €12, Player3 calls €6

Flop: 2♠ 7♦ 3♣ (€24, 2 players)
Player3 checks, pleno1 bets €15, Player3 raises to €36, pleno1 raises to €60, Player3 folds

Final Pot: €96

pleno1 wins €143 (net +€71)

Player3 lost €48

200bb induceaments

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO pleno1 (€1,991.71) 498bb
BTN Player6 (€832) 208bb
SB Player1 (€414) 104bb
BB Player3 (€400) 100bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 4 players) pleno1 is CO T♥ T♦
pleno1 raises to €12, Player6 raises to €44, 2 folds, pleno1 raises to €112, Player6 goes all-in €832, pleno1 calls €720

Flop: 6♠ J♥ 4♣ (€1,670, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 2♠ (€1,670, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 4♥ (€1,670, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: €1,670
pleno1 shows
T♥ T♦
Player6 shows
9♦ 9♥

pleno1 wins €1,667 (net +€835)

Player6 lost €832

norrrrrrr

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player4 (€697.50) 174bb
UTG+1 Player5 (€400) 100bb
CO Player6 (€472.60) 118bb
BTN Player1 (€829.43) 207bb
SB pleno1 (€653.50) 163bb
BB Player3 (€189.08) 47bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is SB T♠ Q♠
Player4 raises to €12, Player5 calls €12, 2 folds, pleno1 calls €10, 1 fold

Flop: J♦ 9♠ K♠ (€40, 3 players)
pleno1 checks, Player4 bets €28, Player5 folds, pleno1 raises to €84, Player4 raises to €168, pleno1 goes all-in €641.50, Player4 calls €473.50

Turn: A♠ (€1,323, 2 players, 1 all-in)

River: 9♦ (€1,323, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: €1,323
pleno1 shows
T♠ Q♠
Player4 shows
K♦ K♥

Player4 wins €1,320 (net +€666.50)

pleno1 lost €653.50
Player5 lost €12

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
3 Players
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Stacks:
BTN pleno1 (€1,160.80) 290bb
SB Player6 (€1,518.63) 380bb
BB Player1 (€400.30) 100bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 3 players) pleno1 is BTN 3♦ T♦
pleno1 raises to €8, Player6 folds, Player1 calls €4

Flop: 9♣ 5♠ A♦ (€18, 2 players)
Player1 checks, pleno1 bets €12, Player1 raises to €38, pleno1 raises to €80, Player1 folds

Final Pot: €94

pleno1 wins €175 (net +€87)

Player1 lost €46

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB Player6 (€200) 50bb
BB pleno1 (€416.20) 104bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 2 players) pleno1 is BB 9♦ 8♣
Player6 raises to €8, pleno1 raises to €12, Player6 calls €4

Flop: 2♠ 7♣ 2♦ (€24, 2 players)
Player6 checks, pleno1 bets €12, Player6 raises to €24, pleno1 raises to €42, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €72

pleno1 wins €107 (net +€53)

Player6 lost €36

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player3 (€596.20) 149bb
UTG+1 Player4 (€210.60) 53bb
CO Player5 (€431) 108bb
BTN pleno1 (€1,943.10) 486bb
SB Player1 (€363.92) 91bb
BB Player2 (€487.60) 122bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is BTN 6♦ J♦
3 folds, pleno1 raises to €8, Player1 calls €6, Player2 calls €4

Flop: 2♦ 2♠ 8♣ (€24, 3 players)
Player1 checks, Player2 checks, pleno1 bets €16, Player1 raises to €32, Player2 folds, pleno1 raises to €80, Player1 folds

Final Pot: €88

pleno1 wins €181 (net +€93)

Player1 lost €40
Player2 lost €8

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player2 (€713.40) 178bb
UTG+1 Player3 (€406) 102bb
CO Player4 (€775.30) 194bb
BTN pleno1 (€1,174.50) 294bb
SB Player6 (€1,109.32) 277bb
BB Player1 (€437) 109bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is BTN 9♥ K♣
3 folds, pleno1 raises to €8, 1 fold, Player1 calls €4

Flop: K♥ 4♣ 8♥ (€18, 2 players)
Player1 checks, pleno1 bets €14, Player1 raises to €40, pleno1 raises to €94, Player1 folds

Final Pot: €98

pleno1 wins €203 (net +€101)

Player1 lost €48

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player5 (€495) 124bb
CO Player6 (€187.48) 47bb
BTN Player1 (€489) 122bb
SB pleno1 (€2,582.60) 646bb
BB Player3 (€1,160.50) 290bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 5 players) pleno1 is SB A♦ 8♥
3 folds, pleno1 raises to €12, Player3 raises to €32, pleno1 raises to €98, Player3 calls €66

Flop: 5♥ 5♦ T♥ (€196, 2 players)
pleno1 bets €106, Player3 folds

Final Pot: €196

pleno1 wins €405 (net +€201)

Player3 lost €98

I shoud call my cat - sixmax

Why i write this bs ?!?

€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player1 (€342.80) 86bb
UTG+1 Player2 (€865.80) 216bb
CO Player3 (€632.50) 158bb
BTN Player4 (€797) 199bb
SB pleno1 (€1,674.30) 419bb
BB Player6 (€843.54) 211bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is SB 9♥ K♠
3 folds, Player4 raises to €8, pleno1 raises to €28, Player6 raises to €76, Player4 folds, pleno1 raises to €142, Player6 raises to €208, pleno1 raises to €276, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €424

pleno1 wins €560 (net +€284)

Player4 lost €8
Player6 lost €208

Any questions?

Originally posted by pleno1
Any questions?

I see huge balls u have there. What is minimum limit where these tricks works?

Also whats ur general stats? opps can exploit u if u do this offten, isnt it?

thought processes? ♦

i just see how much initiative is worth

[edit: and that you just seem to be one level above them SOOO often ♦ i'm having some problems with dealing with agression as i move up, i just seem to let go of my initiative so easily, but i'll make a more detailed post sometime...]

Lol thought process pls....

Originally posted by pleno1
€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player1 (€342.80) 86bb
UTG+1 Player2 (€865.80) 216bb
CO Player3 (€632.50) 158bb
BTN Player4 (€797) 199bb
SB pleno1 (€1,674.30) 419bb
BB Player6 (€843.54) 211bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is SB 9♥ K♠
3 folds, Player4 raises to €8, pleno1 raises to €28, Player6 raises to €76, Player4 folds, pleno1 raises to €142, Player6 raises to €208, pleno1 raises to €276, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €424

pleno1 wins €560 (net +€284)

Player4 lost €8
Player6 lost €208

hm allright i guess, so huge cold 4 bet , big 6 bet aswell , but your 7 bet sizing isn't too small? i mean he's in position , he should call there any2

Originally posted by Tomaloc
thought processes? ♦

i just see how much initiative is worth

[edit: and that you just seem to be one level above them SOOO often ♦ i'm having some problems with dealing with agression as i move up, i just seem to let go of my initiative so easily, but i'll make a more detailed post sometime...]

specific hands and I will answer questions

Originally posted by imbahness

Originally posted by pleno1
€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player1 (€342.80) 86bb
UTG+1 Player2 (€865.80) 216bb
CO Player3 (€632.50) 158bb
BTN Player4 (€797) 199bb
SB pleno1 (€1,674.30) 419bb
BB Player6 (€843.54) 211bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is SB 9♥ K♠
3 folds, Player4 raises to €8, pleno1 raises to €28, Player6 raises to €76, Player4 folds, pleno1 raises to €142, Player6 raises to €208, pleno1 raises to €276, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €424

pleno1 wins €560 (net +€284)

Player4 lost €8
Player6 lost €208

hm allright i guess, so huge cold 4 bet , big 6 bet aswell , but your 7 bet sizing isn't too small? i mean he's in position , he should call there any2

Thats the problem, if you call say K10 and flop top pair or something then you just have so many potential reverse implieds, anyway the way these guys play at 6M Mid Stakes is to not get in any marginal post flop spots. I would call alot and min raise flops or something because remember guys.

YOU CAN NOT WIN IF YOU FOLD!!!1

Lol, I tried some of those tricks at NL50, I was down 5 buy-ins after 20 mins.

Originally posted by pleno1
Any questions?

Your take on anonymous tables ♦ ?

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by imbahness

Originally posted by pleno1
€2/€4 No Limit Holdem
Prima
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player1 (€342.80) 86bb
UTG+1 Player2 (€865.80) 216bb
CO Player3 (€632.50) 158bb
BTN Player4 (€797) 199bb
SB pleno1 (€1,674.30) 419bb
BB Player6 (€843.54) 211bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 6 players) pleno1 is SB 9♥ K♠
3 folds, Player4 raises to €8, pleno1 raises to €28, Player6 raises to €76, Player4 folds, pleno1 raises to €142, Player6 raises to €208, pleno1 raises to €276, Player6 folds

Final Pot: €424

pleno1 wins €560 (net +€284)

Player4 lost €8
Player6 lost €208

hm allright i guess, so huge cold 4 bet , big 6 bet aswell , but your 7 bet sizing isn't too small? i mean he's in position , he should call there any2

Thats the problem, if you call say K10 and flop top pair or something then you just have so many potential reverse implieds, anyway the way these guys play at 6M Mid Stakes is to not get in any marginal post flop spots. I would call alot and min raise flops or something because remember guys.

YOU CAN NOT WIN IF YOU FOLD!!!1

miniraising its an option i guess , but your raiseCB might be pretty high i guess , aren't these aggro guys shoving any mid pair/A high on you?

Originally posted by pleno1
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player5 (€495) 124bb
CO Player6 (€187.48) 47bb
BTN Player1 (€489) 122bb
SB pleno1 (€2,582.60) 646bb
BB Player3 (€1,160.50) 290bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 5 players) pleno1 is SB A♦ 8♥
3 folds, pleno1 raises to €12, Player3 raises to €32, pleno1 raises to €98, Player3 calls €66

Flop: 5♥ 5♦ T♥ (€196, 2 players)
pleno1 bets €106, Player3 folds

Final Pot: €196

pleno1 wins €405 (net +€201)

Player3 lost €98

Hi again Patric,

I would like to get some tips about such hands. I really struggle with situations where people flat 4bet. How to proceed? I have posted one example in hand evaluations forum, but it seems to be dead or something, no evaluations for close to 2 weeks... So maybe I can post it here for ya

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
BB ($111)
Hero ($125)
MP ($105)
CO ($100)
BTN ($110)

BTN wins $59.38

Now such spots give me nothing but headache when I miss the flop. I am really struggling to figure out what is our best action when these guys decide to flat a 4bet.

BTN is 22/10 in 200 hands, but has 10.0 3bet and 40% squeeze stat. I know 200 hands is not the biggest sample but that percentage is really high, thus I went for a 4bet with a blocker.

What is our best option here? I know I played it weak, but couldn't find a way to play it. Does your advice to be aggressive if in doubt apply here?

Now when I am looking at it, it seems to me that I should have bet. But what about other flop textures? Say, 8h Jh Qd?

Thank you, as always.

Originally posted by Pkrpains

Originally posted by pleno1
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Player5 (€495) 124bb
CO Player6 (€187.48) 47bb
BTN Player1 (€489) 122bb
SB pleno1 (€2,582.60) 646bb
BB Player3 (€1,160.50) 290bb

Pre-Flop: (€6, 5 players) pleno1 is SB A♦ 8♥
3 folds, pleno1 raises to €12, Player3 raises to €32, pleno1 raises to €98, Player3 calls €66

Flop: 5♥ 5♦ T♥ (€196, 2 players)
pleno1 bets €106, Player3 folds

Final Pot: €196

pleno1 wins €405 (net +€201)

Player3 lost €98

Hi again Patric,

I would like to get some tips about such hands. I really struggle with situations where people flat 4bet. How to proceed? I have posted one example in hand evaluations forum, but it seems to be dead or something, no evaluations for close to 2 weeks... So maybe I can post it here for ya

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NL Holdem $1(BB) Replayer
SB ($100)
BB ($111)
Hero ($125)
MP ($105)
CO ($100)
BTN ($110)

Dealt to Hero A♠ T♠

Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $3, fold, BTN raises to $13.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $29, fold, BTN calls $15.50

FLOP ($62.50) K♣ 8♣ K♦

Hero checks, BTN checks

TURN ($62.50) K♣ 8♣ K♦ 8♠

Hero checks, BTN bets $34, Hero folds

BTN wins $59.38

Now such spots give me nothing but headache when I miss the flop. I am really struggling to figure out what is our best action when these guys decide to flat a 4bet.

BTN is 22/10 in 200 hands, but has 10.0 3bet and 40% squeeze stat. I know 200 hands is not the biggest sample but that percentage is really high, thus I went for a 4bet with a blocker.

What is our best option here? I know I played it weak, but couldn't find a way to play it. Does your advice to be aggressive if in doubt apply here?

Now when I am looking at it, it seems to me that I should have bet. But what about other flop textures? Say, 8h Jh Qd?

Thank you, as always.

40% sqz from 200 hands is not a huge sample , even tho if you choose to play it fancy i'd still go for an 1/2 flop cbet, or you can even 1/2 turn , he does have a couple of non PP hands in his range , which is pretty bad to shove /float with on that board ..

on 8h Jh Qd i'd just c/f it to be honest , you hit perfectly his range

Originally posted by rogervieri

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by rogervieri

Originally posted by pleno1

Originally posted by rogervieri

Originally posted by pleno1
HUD

I think it is SUPER important to have a good HUD. In the past the main problem was that people didn't know how to use one properly, now the main problem is people try to use it TOO much and put TOO much information on their HUD.

You need to have a HUD that is very easy for you to use and set out correctly, having too many stats does not make sense. It also differs depending on how many tables you play etc.

Here is the HUD that I use at the moment, which I really really like.

Name
Total Hands

- - - - - - - - -

Tot 3bet
Fold to 3bet
Squeeze

- - - - - - - - -

Flop Cbet
Fold to flop Cbet

- - - - - - -

EP PFR
MP PFR
CO PFR
BTN PFR
SB PFR

- - - - - - -

Tot vpip
Tot pfr

- - - - - - - -

Btn steal
Fold to btn steal

I then have all my stats coloured perfectly. The lighter the colours the more passive the guy is, the more red the colour the more good/aggro he us and the more purple he is the more of an absolute maniac he is.

Here is a picture of it in my HEM

not so much postflop stats like WTSD/WT$D, fold to check/raise flop IP/OOP etc.

Do you make the decisions based on game-flow/reads rather than stats?

thanks mate
Rogervieri

Yeh, most post flop stuff comes from game flow and notes that I make, although of course for WTSD etc I just hover over my HUD.

As you can probably see from my posts in the thread I'm very much an advocate that 6max no limit is heavily impacted by a good pre flop game plan.

Hi, sorry to continue on the point, but I recently bought HM2 via Pokerstrategy promotion, and I'm trying to set up "the best HUD"

could you at least tell me how you benefit to add the PFR's per position in your HUD?? isn't it easier to have them as a pop-up?? or do you do it on purpose to immediately and quickly see their PFR per position.

EP PFR
MP PFR
CO PFR
BTN PFR
SB PFR

again: could you explain how you benefit from this info (how do you exploit this?)

Basically the first thing I look at when somebody opens is their pfr from each position, vs UTG etc I can make a really quick decision that will usually be right. If I have to use a pop up each time I may get lazy or not checj, I generally avoid ever using a pop up, especially pre flop and having the positional stats there for me to use is the best thing I have ever done regarding using a HUD.

I 3bet a lot vs UTG/UTG+1 so having the stats are very important, it also saves me buy ins for example if I have QQ and guy opens UTG, if I have to look at a pop up maybe I just 3b/5b, but if I have it there and see he opens 9% or something then I will just flat.

Also in Zoom if I am in the cut off and I see that the button has a low pfr from the button then I can raise like 95o here profitably but if I don't have it in front of me then I will just sigh, not checking a pop up, 95, fold and miss a +ev spot, even if it is very close.

last question about this, I promise!!

would it therefore be smart to also add (since you are obviously a 3bet maniac ♠_cool: ) the fold3bet per position?

It would look something like this:

Name, hands
--------------
PFR EP
PFR MP
PFR HJ
PFR CO
PFR BTN
PFR SB
-------------
f2 3bet EP
f2 3bet MP
f2 3bet HJ
f2 3bet CO
f2 3bet BTN
f2 3bet SB
--------------
cbet flop
fcbet flop
cbet turn
fcbet turn
WTS
WTS %

or doesn't that make sense?

still looking forward to your HUD aticle...can't wait ♦

PS> from which stakes, do you recommend picking these lines (the hands you posted), they go like call3bet_oop, call c-bet, c/r turn cbet on a blank