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Calling down in 3bet pot vs super aggro

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fuzzyfish
Joined: 12.01.2010

Seems kinda standard, but I'm getting pwned often lately in this spot. Villains SB vs BTN 3bet 15%, so I guess no brainer call preflop... Villain is also extremely aggressive postflop: cbets in 3bet pot: flop 82%, turn 85%, river 79%

So I assume its ok to play the hand they way I did? The hardest for me is the river decision. I have less than 1/2 pot left, so this makes bluff a bit less viable, then again my line seems extremely weak, a lot like a busted draw, so I assume this kind of player might pull a river bluff here...

$5/$10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

UTG: $1,377.16 (137.7 bb)
MP: $1,791.63 (179.2 bb)
CO: $1,782.77 (178.3 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1,058 (105.8 bb)
SB: $2,191.25 (219.1 bb)
BB: $860.33 (86 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with J T
3 folds, Hero raises to $22, SB raises to $88, BB folds, Hero calls $66

Flop: ($186) K J 2 (2 players)
SB bets $139.50, Hero calls $139.50

Turn: ($465) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $346.50, Hero calls $346.50

River: ($1,158) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $1,617.25 and is all-in, Hero calls $484 and is all-in


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fuzzyfish
Joined: 12.01.2010

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

if he is maniac postflop, imo every bluff catcher is easy call. Your hand is a good blocker, there are many busted draws.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

It's as gingerkid says, with such barreling frequencies we are incentivised to call with all our bluffcatchers.

However - imo it's actually reasonable to underdefend preflop and make postflop life easier. Villain is wide enough that we can exploit him by simply playing tight preflop and then calling down with most holdings postflop.


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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

Originally posted by w34z3l
It's as gingerkid says, with such barreling frequencies we are incentivised to call with all our bluffcatchers.

However - imo it's actually reasonable to underdefend preflop and make postflop life easier. Villain is wide enough that we can exploit him by simply playing tight preflop and then calling down with most holdings postflop.

Agree that it would be also exploit due to his huge mistakes postflop. But what do you mean exactly by playing tighter preflop, which hands to fold? imo any broadway card is good enough to flat, because once it flops pair it will be easy call down, a lot of equity vs villian range. small PP play good to hit set with huge implieds. low SC/gappers, I am not sure? Imo we can use them to flop GS or similar and then shove turn when he bets, he cant do much anyway? So I dont see what would we fold, imo all hands from standard defend range should have much higher EV of flatting than vs standard villian, so I dont see a reason to tigthen preflop range.


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

What you said is true, and is fine. My suggestion is an alternative that involves less skill and can end up being higher EV as an exploitative measure depending on your skill level.

There are many situations where an option can be theoretically correct but actually ends up lower EV when the postflop decisions become very complex. So imo ego can get involved here, we can technically call very wide preflop. But good luck facing those 3barrels with 3rd pair when you know you beat some of villain's bluff range.


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