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6max A2s with flush draw and 2 opponents bet/calling before me

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nickycakes
Joined: 10.10.2015

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $5 (100 bb)
UTG: $5.06 (101.2 bb)
MP: $12.21 (244.2 bb)
Hero (CO): $5.85 (117 bb)
BTN: $5.44 (108.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2 A
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.52) 6 J 8 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.42) 7 (3 players)
UTG bets $1.36, MP calls $1.36, Hero calls $1.36

Self Analysis

Pre-flop
I've been starting to call suited connectors in late position in the last few days if there is a bet/lip and at least 1 caller already before me, so I gave this one a chance. I'm not sure if A2s is a good one to use since it can only make the bottom end of the straight, but there's an ace there too which is good, right?

Flop
I have the nuts flush draw and I'm in position. I have 9 outs, so about 36% chance to hit my flush, and I guess I can count the 3 aces for something even though I have no kicker. There's a bet and a call before me, pot odds for calling are 26% and it seems like I have good implied odds as well because of the betting before me. I was thinking maybe not calling if MP didn't call, would that have been the correct thing to do?

Turn
No love on the turn. Much higher bet and call this time, i'm probably going to be able to get quite a bit on the river if i make my flush, so I call. I definitely think I would have folded here if MP didn't call. Again, any help?

Thanks in advance for taking a look at my hand.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Huge implied odds you've been given by taking advantage of your postion


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

If you consider that they might have overpairs,sets, straight draws and flush draw, although your equity is low:

Board: 6♥J♥8♦ 7♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    40.54%  38.72%   1.82% { 66+, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, T9o }
MP3    40.54%  38.72%   1.82% { 66+, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh, KhTh, QhTh, Kh9h, Qh9h, T9o }
CO     18.92%  18.92%   0.00% { Ah2h }

As Berezovaya says, you have tremendous implied odds. You will stack at least one if the flush hits and completes a straight or a worse flush. What you DON'T want to see is a paired board. There are 12 cards in the deck that will do that.
If that happens 2-pair hands and sets become boats which crush you.

An important consideration is how these guys play. If they like to play speculative hands. like Ax and play them strongly, then all you have is 9 outs, and if they are playing Ax hands, or overpairs, they're not going to give up a stack OTR.

If the flush DOES hit OTR, you better hope that one of them shoves into you, because they won't call a shove when the flush hits -- unless they have a weaker one (maybe)

Just a side note:
What do people think of squeezing pre?
Yes, it is a semi-bluff (ok, an outright bluff :) )
Even if one or both calls, on that flop, you have the material for a strong semi-bluff.

Cheers,
VS


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think it was well played. As said before, we have good implied odds.


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

overcall is fine, we have pretty good hand for that. I would be more inclined to squeeze something like Ajo pre because its playabillity in mw spots is not good.

on the flop u have to options one is call and other one is raise. U might want to raise because they are both mostlikely weak with that sizing. Though might be better to use some other draws for raise here since we rep only 6 combos of sets there so we dont want to raise every draw in general without reads. So therefore your call on the flop is kinda standard and is fine.

As an exploit raise would be fine as well.....


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I prefer squeeze better than flat with hand like A2s


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

When the hand is suited, it is better to call when we will play IP postflop. I prefer offsuit Ax - ATo, AJo for a squeeze.


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

I'm not sure if A2s is a good one to use since it can only make the bottom end of the straight, but there's an ace there too which is good, right?

I don't think an Ace is good, for you are dominated by any Villain holding an Ace.

I have the nuts flush draw and I'm in position. I have 9 outs, so about 36% chance to hit my flush, and I guess I can count the 3 aces for something even though I have no kicker.

You are not drawing to the nuts! As ForpalF2F states 2 outs could give either villain a full house. When you river an ace you are either way behind or you have a medium hand. You cann't be shure that an ace gives you the winning hand.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Good thought process in OP. The minor mistake is contemplating a flop fold if MP folds. You have the implied odds to call whether MP is in or not. On the turn you can count probably around 9 full outs. They don't have sets every day, and an A may still win it, but don't call any bets if you hit one.

On a side note, MP's range is very strong if he can play. He has horrible position (both relative and absolute) and still calls flop and a big one on turn with you after to act. Do not get the idea of blowing him off a hand if the river goes check-check.


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nickycakes
Joined: 10.10.2015

Originally posted by YohanN7
On a side note, MP's range is very strong if he can play. He has horrible position (both relative and absolute) and still calls flop and a big one on turn with you after to act. Do not get the idea of blowing him off a hand if the river goes check-check.

Quite right, had a FD, gutshot, and paired the board on the turn.


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