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AKs in 3bet pot gets c/r on flop

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

UTG 29/20 3bet 5.4% Flop Agg 23% - 188 hands
Call 3bet 3/7
Fold to 3bet 3/7
4bet 1/7

I was planning on 3betting and calling a shove pre flop.
OTF I almost checked behind, but after I decided to bet and he check raises me all in I dont think hes super strong like an overpair (I think he 4bets QQ+) or a set, hes probably got a pocket pair or Jx or completely missed with like AQ, AK, KQ
At the time I'm thinking I know I'm behind but I'm probably getting about the right price to call here as he is so short, should I make the call?

If I give him a range of 66-TT, AJ+, KJ+, KJ then I've got 42% equity and definitley getting the right price

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $1.05 (10.5 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $4 (40 bb)
Hero (MP): $13.72 (137.2 bb)
CO: $10.60 (106 bb)
BTN: $12.39 (123.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K A
UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.86, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.56

Flop: ($1.87) 5 2 J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.88, UTG raises to $3.14 and is all-in, Hero calls $2.26

Turn: ($8.15) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($8.15) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$8.15 pot ($0.40 rake)
Final Board: 5 2 J 3 Q
UTG showed T T and won $7.75 ($3.75 net)
Hero showed K A and lost (-$4 net)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Villain is short stack, we have BDFD and 2 over cards. I think calling is ok, at least it is not a big mistake.


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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

I think we can x back flop and bet turn. As played its an easy call.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Spare yourself that cbet, he's very short on chips.


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strikerp
Joined: 25.07.2007

3bet smaller vs. him IP.
Ap nh.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I prefer to x flop and bet turn if he x again. We will mot make jim fold a pair and as his stack is small there is not much space gor maneuvering.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You did what you could preflop and c-betting on the flop. Then fold, because the odds aren't nearly there. You must discount the probability that he does this with AK/AQ/KQs compared to just about any pair he may hold. Besides, you only split vs AK.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

On the other hand, he has only 40bb...

Shoving pre with AK looks okay.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I also thought avout that and have to agree that it is possible to push.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

And later I rethought because I had totally forgotten about the players behind. What if they all wake up with AA/KK:D

It might still be okay. There is something called the Sklansky-Chubakov number for every preflop hand. That number tells how many bb you can profitably push with one opponent left to speak in an unopened pot - and show your opponent your hand before he decides. That number is surprisingly high for some hands. For AK unsuited it is 166bb. For AKs it is much higher (> 200), don't remember exactly.

Edit: The SC number for AKs is 277! This is higher than for QQ (239).
With 4 opponents left to speak, things are different of course.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You have blockers for AA, KK...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Yep. That's part of the explanation that the SC numbers are so high. But number crunching still required I believe to be sure.

A silly detail: A potential caller have a number of hands that are very marginal calls (like a pair including flush blockers vs us). But taking rake into account, he should fold some of these. The true SC number may be much higher than 277.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

Thanks everyone.

I was hoping to get it all in pre, and then when I missed the flop I very nearly checked it back as I had a feeling I was getting myself into a tricky spot, then I did bet and I did get mmyself in a tricky spot..... haha


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Plan your hand ahead. This will save you money and and willnot get you in tricky spots.


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