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turn call or raise?

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bram252
Joined: 21.08.2011

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 105.3 BB (VPIP: 20.09, PFR: 18.88, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 244)
CO: 41.9 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
BTN: 101 BB (VPIP: 21.69, PFR: 19.68, 3Bet Preflop: 5.61, Hands: 254)
SB: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 18.52, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 13.46, Hands: 111)
Hero (BB): 113.5 BB
UTG: 137.4 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♦ K♦

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) J♥ T♦ 2♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.1 BB, Hero calls 4.1 BB

Turn: (14.7 BB, 2 players) 4♠
Hero checks, BTN bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, BTN raises to 93.9 BB and is all-in, fold

BTN wins 71.3 BB

tot de turn redelijk standaard geloof ik? preflop dacht ik dat dit een prima call was aangezien steal% 35 was dus domineerde ik een groot deel van zijn range, daarom een call om hem later fouten te laten maken. nu hit ik dus een straight draw, en daar begint de moeilijkheid voor mij. ik kan niet folden maar wat bereik ik met raisen, ik call daarom door de equity. De turn raise ik. Meer omdat ik eigenlijk niet precies wist wat ik moest doen. dus mijn vraag is wat is nu de beste lijn in deze hand?:f_ugly:


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would fold OTT. We don't have the odds to call and I don't like x/r here.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Can you give your thoughts in English, please.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would like to see the reason behind the turn play.
I prefer just calling and not raising.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
Can you give your thoughts in English, please.

不要被这样的种族主义者


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Can you explain your play on the turn?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I can explain the turn play. You represent good strength and therefore have good fold equity. A pair can rarely call. You often see stated here in the forum that it takes at least top two pair to call a turn raise. That's how strong the turn raise is perceived. A turn check-raise is even stronger. The alternative is folding.

That said, I don't know if it is "right" to raise. But, if you ask me "should you ever ever check-raise bluff on turn" - then the answer is obviously yes, or the player that eventually figures you out will exploit your value hands on average.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by MrPink578
Can you explain your play on the turn?

x/c flop, x/r turn looks super strong plus we've blockers to 2/3 overpairs.

The problem is that it represents an extremely narrow range of JTs/22 and sometimes JJ/TT we didn't 3bet.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
I can explain the turn play. You represent good strength and therefore have good fold equity. A pair can rarely call. You often see stated here in the forum that it takes at least top two pair to call a turn raise. That's how strong the turn raise is perceived. A turn check-raise is even stronger. The alternative is folding.

That said, I don't know if it is "right" to raise. But, if you ask me "should you ever ever check-raise bluff on turn" - then the answer is obviously yes, or the player that eventually figures you out will exploit your value hands on average.

I agree but I would not do this with OESD. But I may be wrong.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I don't think this is a terrible hand to do it with. A/9 on the river are pretty decent action-killers so we can't guarantee a lot of implied odds, which means calling turn is very meh.


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bram252
Joined: 21.08.2011

the reason I was raising was because villain seemed like a regular so he was someone who could lay down maybe top pair, second pairs or draws. I didn't really like to call because then there is a possibility of him to fold ott, and when he called I would have outs. Now he reraise me and I have to fold obviously. So now I doubt if it was better to keep the pot small by calling and fold on a river bet if I missed.

(i'm sorry for my bad grammar)


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