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pocket Aces on a flush-draw board

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 131.5 BB
BTN: 105.5 BB
SB: 148.5 BB
BB: 105.5 BB
Hero (UTG): 255 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♠ A♦

Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, BTN calls 4 BB, SB calls 3.5 BB, fold

Flop: (13 BB, 3 players) 9♣ 6♣ 2♣
SB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB, fold

Turn: (31 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 19.5 BB, BTN calls 19.5 BB

River: (70 BB, 2 players) Q♠
Hero bets 50.5 BB, BTN raises to 73 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 22.5 BB

Spoiler

BTN shows Q♣ A♣ (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 13%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A♠ A♦ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 87%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
BTN wins 208.5 BB

Hello, I am a beginner, I am just trying to learn the very basics. This is one of the worst hands I played in the last few days, and as I was doing my session review I discovered, that although I know I didn't play this hand correctly, I don't really know how would it have been right to play it. Should I have x/f on the flop?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I would have x/f OTR. This board is very wet and many combos will win of yours. Very unfortunate that it happens to your Aces but to grow in this game you sometimes have to make discipline folds.

Hope this helps, good luck at the tables!


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ferrye
Joined: 15.10.2008

Pocket aces are those kind of hands where you either win a small pot or lose a big one.
Check/Call turn and check/fold river if villain shoves.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like the idea of xc turn and xf river. Though charging 1club hands on turn is fine if not a huge bet.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think I would bet F bet T x/f R.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by ferrye
Pocket aces are those kind of hands where you either win a small pot or lose a big one

If you're not winning any big pots with aces then you've probably got something pretty wrong going on with your game.


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Very unlucky. Check/call the turn, check/fold the river.


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Thank you all for the replies, it helps a lot! I think betting OTF and OTT I was trying to make the 1 club hands fold... But from all your replies it is clear to me now that the biggest mistake was betting OTR and on top off that even calling his raise...i think at that moment I was already pot committed - a huge mistake -, and I payed dearly for it :))


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Allow me 1 correction. We bet to extract value from 1 club hands. We want them to pay.


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borrov1
Joined: 14.02.2011

if u check raise the flop you find out exactly where u stand.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
Allow me 1 correction. We bet to extract value from 1 club hands. We want them to pay.

+1

You shouldn't be betting with AA to make a hand like KcQx fold on 962!


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

If you use tracking software, please include some stats on the villain.

Hero (UTG): 255 BB

As a beginner you can use several strategies: small stack, medium stack or big stack. In the strategy section of PokerStrategy you'll find very fine articles on these subjects.
255bb is however a whole new ballgame. It has its own knacks and loops. As a beginner you should stay clear of such a stacksize. (Leave the table and buy in on a fresh one for 100bb.)

H has opened from MP (first in a 5-handed game). This means a tight range. Villain is willing to play vs your range.

With AA -as a beginner- you'll want to get to showdown. Do you want to get all in? If so you bet big. If not your betsize has to be a bit lower. On the river you then can evaluate if you want to call Villain's raise.


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Well, as a beginner, I am going through the No Limit Beginner Course by confidant91 (I am currently at Lesson 5), and I was trying to follow the rules, which are really simplified ones, for complete beginners.

So for starters I raised to 4 BB as I thought I was UTG (didn't notice that one person was sitting out so I was actually MP), and as I had a made hand (top pair or overpair) I raised 2/3 of the pot OTF, OTT, OTR. OTR though as I was facing a re-raise, I should have folded, but as I said, unfortunately I was already pot committed - will try not to make that mistake again.

I did not include the stats, because it was advised to us not to use a HUD at the very beginning, so I myself was not seeing them at the time I played the hand, therefore I thought that I shouldn't post them here as well (should have?).

The other mistake I was making, as wimNP pointed out to me, and it was said in the videos as well, that I forgot to sit out as I got to more than a 150 BB at the table.

To answer the other issue, yes, with AA I should raise for value (but on that not I should read again the article "Why we bet?"), but I think the flush draw board scared me, and I already waned him to fold - or something like that, the problem was I did not know what to do and I was lost in the hand. Actually that is why I posted this hand, to see to which extent was I playing the hand wrong and to which extent was I unlucky.

Thank you all for your answers again!! :)


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