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oviovi86
Joined: 28.11.2014

Full Tilt, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools by CardRunners - Hand Details

MP: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
CO: $2.02 (101 bb)
BTN: $1.50 (75 bb)
Hero (SB): $2.51 (125.5 bb)
BB: $5.89 (294.5 bb)
UTG: $2.03 (101.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K 9
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, BB folds, BTN raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.62) J 7 K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.16, BTN raises to $1.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.04

Turn: ($3.02) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($3.02) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Fold to the steal.
Fold to the 4bet.
Check-call or check-shove the flop.
What do you think you accomplish with that small bet on the flop? Actually I kinda like the idea of the small donk bet if you then check-shove the turn when called OTF, but its not rly necessary.


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htghguuh
Joined: 02.01.2014

The flop missed.
Actually why use those cards anyway.
From that position .They arnt good stealing card's.
The donk yea but if there a big re raise I would fold.
You could off been donkey back but lot off money just to see,


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Originally posted by htghguuh
The flop missed.
Actually why use those cards anyway.
From that position .They arnt good stealing card's.
The donk yea but if there a big re raise I would fold.
You could off been donkey back but lot off money just to see,


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Good advice above. Our hand is good for bluff 3 bet, but not vs a shortstack. After we face a 4 bet, and villain is shortstack- we have to fold.
On flop with the stacks left- just x/shove.


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

Preflop ok: W34z3l's 3B advice.
Flop: Does Hero has the best hand? (TP GK) If not: how many outs to the best hand? IMO 9 to a flush, 2 to trips K, 3 to 2-pair K9. Discounted outs: 3 for a two pair-hand might not be enough to win. So 11 outs to a flush or trip K's. 2 streets to come: 11 x 4% gives 44% to improve on the Turn or the River.
Effective stacks are $ 1.50.
On the flop: $ 0.62. Remaining stacks: $ 1.20. Supose H goes all in on the flop. Should V call? V would win in (100% -44% = ) 56%. Villains odds on winning are 44 to 56 => .8 to 1. The pot before calling would be $ 1.82. It cost V $ 1.20. So his pot odds are 1.82 to 1.2 or 1.5 to 1. V can profitably call.
I hope I did the calculations correct.
IMO Hero has to fold on the flop.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Fold to 4bet pre. OTF I think x/shove would be good but didn't do any calculations.


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caltabiano
Joined: 09.03.2007

I'd much rather call this pre-flop, especially vs a min-raise... In fact I think this is a definite call, 3betting makes no sense whatsoever in my opinion. Villain has 75bb, it's not such a short stack, we get ridiculous odds for calling pre, have a hand that has great playability post-flop... we can flop gutshots, flushdraws, TP + overcard, mid-pair good kicker, backdoors + mid pair, TP bad kicker.... anyway, just a bunch of stuff which gives us playability post-flop.

Villain is gonna have a bunch of hands that dominate us, thats for sure, but he'll also have a bunch of hands that we dominate. So, as long as we play a solid post-flop game and don't play for stacks on a K-high board, if we are able to properly acknowledge our hand strength on the different kinds of flop, we have to call pre. By 3betting, we isolate against those K's that dominate us, which will not fold BTW, meaning we don't make better hands fold, which is the purpose of bluffing, right? Making better hands fold...

When you do 3b, you cannot call his 4b. I assume you 3bet as a bluff right? So if he shows aggression, give up your bluff. You can't bluff-call.
When you do call, I'd rather c\c the flop or c\rAI, but probably c\c... I guess it would depend on bet sizes and villain.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

And when you call preflop what will you do if BB squeezes, and believe me, you create an excellent opportunity for him to do that...


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by wimNP
Preflop ok: W34z3l's 3B advice.
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Weasel's advice to call 4-bet OOP with K9s in this spot? No way!
(Even if that would be Weasel's advice, it wouldn't be one of his brightest moments.)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

W34z3l advices to 3bet K9s SBvsBTN and KJs-K7s are in his SB vs 3bet 4bet range but I doubt he has advised to cold call 4bet with K9s...


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

K9s is in the 3b/fold range. It is almost stupid to call a 4b.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

With reads there are places where you can 5bet shove pre there with K9s , without any read I 5 bet shove if he is Russian :) overwise fold to 4bet.

As played, postflop is ok with remaining stack size and that particular board I'd rather check/call or check/raise AI rather than tiny-bet / call.


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

w34z3l's 6max walkthrough - (microstakes edition)

Episode 5 - Dismantling 3betters
Sb vs 3b Call AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, KdKh, KdKs, KdKc, QdQh, QdQs, QdQc, JdJh, JdJs, JdJc, TdTh, TdTs, TdTc, AJs+, KQs, JTs, T9s, AJo+

SB vs 3b 4bet AhAs, AhAc, AsAc, KhKs, KhKc, KsKc, QhQs, QhQc, QsQc, JhJs, JhJc, JsJc, ThTs, ThTc, TsTc, AKs, ATs-A2s, KJs-K7s, Q9s+, AKo, ATo, KTo+

The nuances of W34z3l's ranges are not quite clear to me. So I just take those ranges as such.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Originally posted by wimNP
w34z3l's 6max walkthrough - (microstakes edition)

Episode 5 - Dismantling 3betters
Sb vs 3b Call AdAh, AdAs, AdAc, KdKh, KdKs, KdKc, QdQh, QdQs, QdQc, JdJh, JdJs, JdJc, TdTh, TdTs, TdTc, AJs+, KQs, JTs, T9s, AJo+

SB vs 3b 4bet AhAs, AhAc, AsAc, KhKs, KhKc, KsKc, QhQs, QhQc, QsQc, JhJs, JhJc, JsJc, ThTs, ThTc, TsTc, AKs, ATs-A2s, KJs-K7s, Q9s+, AKo, ATo, KTo+

The nuances of W34z3l's ranges are not quite clear to me. So I just take those ranges as such.

This says sb vs 3b 4bet, so that means you are 4betting these in the sb vs a bb 3bet, is not the same scenario as this hand. hope that helps you make sense of it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Still K9s is in the 3bbluff range SBvsBTN. The most important thing is to fold when facing a 4b.


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1. I like the 3-bet preflop.
2. The 4-bet kind of sucks- I doubt he's bluffing here much but I could be wrong. Calling and folding are likely close in EV. If you were going to make a medium sized mistake it would probably be to fold.
3. Definitely check the flop. This is a great board for him as the only valuebet that whiffed is [QQ] and whiffed is a bit of an overstatement. Check and check call a bet and then evaluate the turn. By playing this flop aggressively you are ensuring that all worse hands escape while better hands get all in in a favorable situation.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Note that villain is a shortstack. xc is not that good. I prefer x/shove, and with the stack left, he can call wide.


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