Mid set in mwp facing x/r

Im shoving flop after his 3bet

I agree with flop shove.

Flop shove is best we can do here. We call preflop to hit a set+ and we should try and put all money in when there isopportunity.

OTR, andy A has a made straight.
The check/raise OTF looks like made hand, or monster draw to me.

Do you think you have the equity to value bet OTF, knowing that there are *so* many hurt cards left in the deck?
Show me some Equilab runs and we'll talk.

I'm OK with both the call OTF and the fold OTR.
I think that he would have check raised the turn if you gave him the chance.

On second thought, maybe re-raise AI OTF is the best play.
I'd need to see some numbers...

Edit:

Board: 3♥5♦2♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    81.59%  80.35%   1.24% { 3s3c }
BB     18.41%  17.17%   1.24% { 77+, A2s+, A2o+ }

Yeah, I'm OK with the shove. However, when 4 hits OTT, look how the scene changes...

Board: 3♥5♦2♥ 4♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    40.19%  32.89%   7.30% { 3s3c }
BB     59.81%  52.50%   7.30% { 77+, A2s+, A2o+ }

Cheers,
VS

You should have gone all in on the flop after he raised you.

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With middle set is better to shove OTF than call on this board, with bottom set I would prefer just calling.

Originally posted by IPtkv

Originally posted by nitrol
Flop shove is best we can do here. We call preflop to hit a set+ and we should try and put all money in when there isopportunity.

I am the original raiser pre flop.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

OTR, andy A has a made straight.
The check/raise OTF looks like made hand, or monster draw to me.

Do you think you have the equity to value bet OTF, knowing that there are *so* many hurt cards left in the deck?
Show me some Equilab runs and we'll talk.

I'm OK with both the call OTF and the fold OTR.
I think that he would have check raised the turn if you gave him the chance.

On second thought, maybe re-raise AI OTF is the best play.
I'd need to see some numbers...

Edit:

Board: 3♥5♦2♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    81.59%  80.35%   1.24% { 3s3c }
BB     18.41%  17.17%   1.24% { 77+, A2s+, A2o+ }

Yeah, I'm OK with the shove. However, when 4 hits OTT, look how the scene changes...

Board: 3♥5♦2♥ 4♠
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    40.19%  32.89%   7.30% { 3s3c }
BB     59.81%  52.50%   7.30% { 77+, A2s+, A2o+ }

Cheers,
VS

I can't say if it's value bet or not.

This is the range I give him:

Equity Win Tie
MP2 47.97% 46.91% 1.06% 3s3c
BB 52.03% 50.97% 1.06% 55, 22, AhKh, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, 6h4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, A4o

Shoving keeps things simple. I had to go for shove, but its 4 ways and I have no reads on any of the opponents.

to his range I would also add 56s, 57s, A5s, A4s, A3s, A2s, 66, 77 at the very least

If we add in the OP's range items, and Thazar's the story changes only a little OTF

Board: 3♥5♦2♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    80.48%  79.27%   1.21% { 3s3c }
BB     19.52%  18.31%   1.21% { 55+, 22, A2s+, 75s, 65s, 6h4h, A2o+ }

It boils down to an extreme case of reverse implied odds.
On this board, there are flush and straight draws galore, and and if any of them hit, we have outs for a full house, but not even the best one, if villain holds 55

If you look at the scenario analyser in Equilab, you can see that the bulk of villains hands OTF are overpairs, Ace-high hands, overcards and gutshots.

Tough spot.
VS

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
If we add in the OP's range items, and Thazar's the story changes only a little OTF

Board: 3♥5♦2♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    80.48%  79.27%   1.21% { 3s3c }
BB     19.52%  18.31%   1.21% { 55+, 22, A2s+, 75s, 65s, 6h4h, A2o+ }

It boils down to an extreme case of reverse implied odds.
On this board, there are flush and straight draws galore, and and if any of them hit, we have outs for a full house, but not even the best one, if villain holds 55

If you look at the scenario analyser in Equilab, you can see that the bulk of villains hands OTF are overpairs, Ace-high hands, overcards and gutshots.

Tough spot.
VS

agree but on his river bet we are pretty much fucked

Originally posted by thazar
agree but on his river bet we are pretty much fucked

Agreed. I'm guessing he was planning to x/r the turn.

We may even be ahead still, and he is "value betting" his overpair other than AA, or even bluffing with a busted flush draw, but against the range we assume he has, the river fold is wise.

The question still remains though:
Is a re-raise OTF a good play? If so, shove or something different?

VS

We should shove on flop. On turn we shouldn't bet! Shoving turn is burning money.