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Q9o flops top two SB vs BB

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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

SB 20/7 3bet 8%, 22% PFR from SB - 99 hands

SB had been tight, as stats suggest. I guess a fold pre flop would be OK but I felt IP if he doesnt bet I can take it away from him or just out flop him anyway.
When he bets 3/4 on flop I'm sure he was something good like KQ+, KK+, should I just raise the flop and get it all in then?
When he just clicks back my raise on the turn am I best just calling and evaluating the river and try to get to cheap as possible showdown

Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.25 (102.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $9.37 (93.7 bb)
MP: $8.31 (83.1 bb)
CO: $23.63 (236.3 bb)
BTN: $5 (50 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 9
4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 6 Q 9 (2 players)
SB bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $1.12, Hero raises to $2.84, SB raises to $4.56, Hero raises to $9.25 and is all-in, SB calls $4.69

River: ($20) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Spoiler

$20 pot ($1 rake)
Final Board: 6 Q 9 K J
SB showed K K and won $19 ($9 net)
Hero showed Q 9 and lost (-$10 net)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pre calling Q9o BBvsSB is ok. I would raise OTF. We have a good hand which needs protection. OTT when villain re-raises I think he doesn't have draws there. Draws would either call or shove? That raise OTT is ok since you didn't do it OTF but I would just call villains re-raise.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I prefer raising on flop. There are a lot of hands/draws that will call.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

R otf


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

Agreed with others that you should raise flop. Slowplaying on a wet board is not a good idea - your hand is vulnerable and also there are a lot of cards that will kill the action on later streets even if you still have the best hand.
Turn isn't good for your hand so I would just call. At first I thought raising can be fine but after playing around with some ranges calling seems to be better. When he min3bets his range becomes super strong - mostly JT, sets, rarely KQ/K9, very rarely AA and never draws or one pair. Against that range shove is very bad and I wouldn't mind folding at all.


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Raise flop becouse it''s very draw heavy, turn i don't see any merit in raising becouse he is only calling/raising with better KQ, set or JT, when he clicked you should have snap folded turn.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008
YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Firstly, as played on turn: Going by your read in OP, there are few hands that can call a raise that you beat. I'd personally add some 87s and JT that you do beat, but the raise is thin if the opponent would play draws more carefully.

Secondly, regarding the flop. Others have posted good reasons to raise right there. Here is one more (much related to my first point). With a turn raise you are repping much stronger than with a flop raise. You can't reliably rep many hands like 87s and JT or just a pair anymore. He might fold even overpairs, something he'll probably not ever do on the flop. Raise flop to get him somewhat committed to call more bets.


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slippyjim
Joined: 07.10.2011

When I was looking at this hand afterwards myself I was thinking I should have raised the flop,
so assumming I raise the flop what do I do if
he reraises, try and get it in?
he calls, what cards on the the turn am I scared of and checking behind, a diamond and cards that complete a straight? betting anything else?

On the river does the same as the turn apply?


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

If he reraises flop, you just shove and stack his overpairs. There is no reason to call and folding is out of the question in this spot.
If he calls your raise, I really don't like the A-T of diamonds on turn and also the K and A turns of any suit aren't that great (his Qx don't look good anymore and also they improve some of his hands). All the rest you can comfortably bet.


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Calling with Q9o pre flop when it's blind vs blind is alright. However you should have raised on the flop. You have a hand that needs to be protected. There are flush and straight draws out there, Once the king comes on the turn, there's not much you could do.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Of course you shove vs a re-raise.


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