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SH AJs, Top Pair Facing Flop Raise

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
MP: $10.54 (105.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $10.05 (100.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A J
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.65) 3 A Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BTN raises to $1.20, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.05) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($7.05) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.55 and is all-in

Preflop: My default open. The BTN is relatively unknown, but looks like a reg so far. When he calls, I assume he has something like this:

Flop: Against his assumed preflop calling range, I have 74% of equity on this board, so I'm betting for value. Of course he will not call with his entire range, but I supose there are alot worse hands calling at least one street, like ATs, A9s, KQo, KQs, KJs, QTs, and maybe JTs and TT. When he decided to raise, I think he has this for value (#15):

...and this as a bluff (#10):

So, since the flop is dry and considering his preflop calling range, I think that when he raised, he has more value hands than bluff hands. Sometimes he will maybe even have a slowplayed AA or QQ. Raising two pairs and sets is probably not optimal on this kind of board, but also there are not many draws. Anyway, I need 26% equity to call and I have 34%, but given that I'm out of position and I won't realise my entire equity on later steets, folding would probably be an ok option. I decided to call and planned to check/fold most turns.

Turn: I hit two pairs and vs his assumed flop raising range, my equity increased to 38%. If we assume that he will continue betting with his entire range, I think I have to check/call now. I need 28% of equity to call.

River: Now some of his backdoor flushdraws came there and also KT came there, so I believe that the best option is to check/fold. Against the range I gave him on the flop/turn, now I have just 9% of equity and I need 33% to call. Overall, I think my check/call on this board and after all the action is a spew, even though I have two pairs.

BTN: 22/18/1,8/78 (VPIP/PFR/AF/H)


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Fold as well in my opinion. AK pre he most probably would raise. He might consider you as a reg and calls AK but that is the only hand that you beat IMO (since he raised OTF). K10+ is a call pre-flop. A min raise OTT might have slowed him down to freeze the action.

However, you are more experienced than I am so let's see other advice :f_biggrin:

Good luck at the tables!


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Fold on flop. There aren't hands that you beat there.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by nitrol
Fold on flop. There aren't hands that you beat there.

+1


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I wouldn't include AK in his flop raising range, given his flat pre and that most regs don't raise AK here. Of course, if you're calling with AJ then it's a good raise with AK but he can't know that.

Bet/folding flop seems kind of weak and exploitable but it's probably best because you have to fold so many turns and/or play a really marginal hand OOP.

Obviously on THAT turn, x/c is fine.


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Originally posted by nitrol
Fold on flop. There aren't hands that you beat there.

I have to agree. I personally HATE AJ. It's easily and usually dominated in situations like this. Even though you have 2 pair, AQ beats you and even AK of spades beats you too. I don't blame you for calling the turn, but I still think you should fold.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

@Alleen86

I think it is best if you put your own (excellent) analysis in a spoiler. Otherwise it will influence responses.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by YohanN7
@Alleen86

I think it is best if you put your own (excellent) analysis in a spoiler. Otherwise it will influence responses.

Does it change anything? Haven't read that analysis until know, as far as i'm concerned there wasn't any hidden hints about villain's hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Plus the analysis differs from some of the opinions.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
@Alleen86

I think it is best if you put your own (excellent) analysis in a spoiler. Otherwise it will influence responses.

Nobody reads it anyway. :tongue:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Well, yeah, we do read the analysis, but I agree that it helps to read it *after* I've looked over the hand.

Some questions:
:diamond:  At what point did you decide that you were going to commit your stack?
:diamond:  Did your plan for this hand change as you played it -- if so, what changed the plan?

Villain is not normally overly aggressive -- but here he is. Did he take advantage of you playing passively?
If you don't think he can adapt that quickly, then he has a hand.

Leaving all that stuff behind, "Big hand for big pots" I'm not sure I'm calling a shove on a board with made straights and made flushes holding a mere two pair -- unless I have some prior knowledge of my opponent.
And even then I'm often wrong _cry:

You leave the the higher pocket pairs out of his pre-flop flatting range. A lot of people flat these hands.

Best of luck,
VS


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Well, yeah, we do read the analysis, but I agree that it helps to read it *after* I've looked over the hand.

I could put an analysis into spoiler next time so nobody would be tempted to read it before commenting the hand. :)

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
:diamond:  At what point did you decide that you were going to commit your stack?

On the turn, but I wasn't very happy with this river card. If I would play the same hand now, I would be very tempted to fold right on the flop because good players usually don't raise any hand on this kind of board, except they have a read that opponent will fold over 60%, so they can bluff any hand which missed the flop, but I doubt that he has a read on me. When we face a raise on this kind of board, I believe it's most likelly for value and my hand is not very good against his value range, especially when I'm out of position. Calling is probably not a terrible play, however, but I think this river card should change my plan of check/calling into check/folding.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
:diamond:  Did your plan for this hand change as you played it -- if so, what changed the plan?

The plan was to call the flop, but fold most turns. It's probably not a bad plan for most situations like that one. The plan changed when I hit two pairs on the turn, but I think that I should change it again on this river card.

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Villain is not normally overly aggressive -- but here he is. Did he take advantage of you playing passively?
If you don't think he can adapt that quickly, then he has a hand.

I don't believe he is exploiting me in any way. I would most likelly overestimate him assuming that he is, so I believe he just has a hand.


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