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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.22 (102.2 bb)
BB: $7.63 (76.3 bb)
UTG: $23.53 (235.3 bb)
MP: $11.86 (118.6 bb)
CO: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.08 (100.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.75) 7 9 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.90, UTG raises to $2.66, Hero raises to $9.28, UTG calls $6.62

Turn: ($20.31) A (2 players)
River: ($20.31) Q (2 players)

Preflop: Default 3bet for value. When he called, he probably has something like 99+, AQs, AQ

Flop: Decided to cbet for value and then he raises. I think I can't fold, but the question is should I call or 5bet. If I 5bet, I have to shove, I believe, because would be commited anyway. I don't expect him to bluff, so he most likelly has a value hand, so I think his range is AA-99. I have 62% of equity against that range and he will probably call the entire range if I shove. Since some hands like A, K or Q on the turn could kill the action, I think it's the best to shove right away.

UTG: 25/25/16 (VPIP/PFR/H)


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

His cbet is 1/2 , normal for 3 bet pot.
Villain can have QQ-TT.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Board: 7d4h9s
Equity Win Tie
MP3 70.24% 70.24% 0.00% { KdKh }
CO 29.76% 29.76% 0.00% { QQ-JJ, 99, AhAs }

Hero should be ahead against his range otf and considering the spr shove is abs. fine imo.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.

I usually wouldn't put him on a draw there. What draws do you have in mind? I peronally don't think that he called the 3bet UTG vs BTN with something like JTs, T8s or 86s. So, I don't think he has a semi-bluff there ever. I don't think he has an Ace, but Q,K,A could a) kill the action on later streets if he raised with JJ-TT and b) make his hand a favorite if he has QQ.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.

I usually wouldn't put him on a draw there. What draws do you have in mind? I peronally don't think that he called the 3bet UTG vs BTN with something like JTs, T8s or 86s. So, I don't think he has a semi-bluff there ever. I don't think he has an Ace, but Q,K,A could a) kill the action on later streets if he raised with JJ-TT and b) make his hand a favorite if he has QQ.

You should probably read my post again. I said he doesn't have any draws. You try to extract value by reraising with a weak hand hoping he has an even weaker hand and will call because you are afraid that 10 cards of 47 will "kill the action". Do you expect to stack him holding a pair? That is highly optimistic.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.

I usually wouldn't put him on a draw there. What draws do you have in mind? I peronally don't think that he called the 3bet UTG vs BTN with something like JTs, T8s or 86s. So, I don't think he has a semi-bluff there ever. I don't think he has an Ace, but Q,K,A could a) kill the action on later streets if he raised with JJ-TT and b) make his hand a favorite if he has QQ.

You should probably read my post again. I said he doesn't have any draws. You try to extract value by reraising with a weak hand hoping he has an even weaker hand and will call because you are afraid that 10 cards of 47 will "kill the action". Do you expect to stack him holding a pair? That is highly optimistic.

Oh, I missread the word "few". Sorry for that. Considering the preflop action, I don't think my hand is weak. I believe I am a favorite vs his range there. If he is capable of raising with QQ-TT, I believe he is capable of stacking off with it. Actually, I don't see a hand he is raising and not villing to call my shove with. Why would he bluff JJ there, for example?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Now that you say it, he would not turn JJ into bluff.
Did he have a set there? Cause it looks like it.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.

I usually wouldn't put him on a draw there. What draws do you have in mind? I peronally don't think that he called the 3bet UTG vs BTN with something like JTs, T8s or 86s. So, I don't think he has a semi-bluff there ever. I don't think he has an Ace, but Q,K,A could a) kill the action on later streets if he raised with JJ-TT and b) make his hand a favorite if he has QQ.

You should probably read my post again. I said he doesn't have any draws. You try to extract value by reraising with a weak hand hoping he has an even weaker hand and will call because you are afraid that 10 cards of 47 will "kill the action". Do you expect to stack him holding a pair? That is highly optimistic.

Oh, I missread the word "few". Sorry for that. Considering the preflop action, I don't think my hand is weak. I believe I am a favorite vs his range there. If he is capable of raising with QQ-TT, I believe he is capable of stacking off with it. Actually, I don't see a hand he is raising and not villing to call my shove with. Why would he bluff JJ there, for example?

You have much more reliable info than the preflop action. He raised you on the flop. That is a power move. Then you shove. That does not represent much more than a power power move. Do you call yourself with TT getting only slightly better than 2:1 in that spot given that you invest $10 to win $5 by making that reraise?

Doesn't raises mean anything?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

On micro limits we should give credit to raises.


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randomdonk
Joined: 02.08.2009

raises mean sets... well, at least 99% of the time in this spot in this limit


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Flop: The c-bet is fine. There are few draws that fit villains range. Raising accomplishes little, again referring to villains range which is very narrow and consists mostly of sets and bluffs. Just call with your bluff catcher. Only an A might be bad news on the river, but do you really think he does this with Ax? You shouldn't.

I usually wouldn't put him on a draw there. What draws do you have in mind? I peronally don't think that he called the 3bet UTG vs BTN with something like JTs, T8s or 86s. So, I don't think he has a semi-bluff there ever. I don't think he has an Ace, but Q,K,A could a) kill the action on later streets if he raised with JJ-TT and b) make his hand a favorite if he has QQ.

You should probably read my post again. I said he doesn't have any draws. You try to extract value by reraising with a weak hand hoping he has an even weaker hand and will call because you are afraid that 10 cards of 47 will "kill the action". Do you expect to stack him holding a pair? That is highly optimistic.

Oh, I missread the word "few". Sorry for that. Considering the preflop action, I don't think my hand is weak. I believe I am a favorite vs his range there. If he is capable of raising with QQ-TT, I believe he is capable of stacking off with it. Actually, I don't see a hand he is raising and not villing to call my shove with. Why would he bluff JJ there, for example?

You have much more reliable info than the preflop action. He raised you on the flop. That is a power move. Then you shove. That does not represent much more than a power power move. Do you call yourself with TT getting only slightly better than 2:1 in that spot given that you invest $10 to win $5 by making that reraise?

Doesn't raises mean anything?

I wouldn't check raise TT so I don't know what would I do vs shove, but I saw guys doing that with overpairs (TT+). When they decide to raise, they would usually call a shove from my experience.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would call villains x/r here.


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