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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $10.03 (100.3 bb)
BB: $10.47 (104.7 bb)
Hero (MP): $11.77 (117.7 bb)
CO: $10.01 (100.1 bb)
BTN: $3.37 (33.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A K
Hero raises to $0.30, 3 folds, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.05) 8 3 T (2 players)
BB bets $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.65) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $2.95, Hero folds

My analysis:

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Preflop: Default open. When the BB 3bets, I have to defend this hand. I don't know his exact 3bet range in this situation nor is he polarized or depolarized, but I think it's fair to assume that it is polarized and looks something like this:

My default defending range in this situation looks like this:

Since he is relativelly unknown to me and didn't fold to 4bet once he was faced with it, I think I can just exclude the 4bet bluff range vs him and defend with value 4bets and calls, and probably be a bit tighter with calls (exclude AJs and 88).

Flop: I hit the nut flushdraw. He can't have many flushes because I block AhKh and the board blocks many of his suited connectors with which he could have a flush. I believe he is cbetting something like this:

Against that range I have 46% of equity and with pot odds of 28%, I have to call. I could hit my flush on the turn and also A or K could be good. If I miss the turn and he decided to check, I think my A-high is very often good enough so I don't see much reasons to bet, rather try to check it down or put a small bet if I hit a flush or TP on the river. Maybe I could put a small bet on the turn and river to make him fold T9 or call J9 on the turn, but that's not a big part of his range probably. Overall, I don't see many worse hands calling nor better folding if I bet the turn.

Turn: This is quite bad card for me because I'm not drawing to the nuts anymore. I believe his turn cbetting range is close to 100% of his flop cbetting range and against it I have just 20% of equity. With 28% of pot odds, I would need to win almost his entire stack on the turn (to be more precise, $4,20) if I hit my flush to make the turn call profitable, with the assumtion that my flush would always be the best hand. Since that would not always be the case (K, T, 8 would potentially make him a fullhouse), I think folding is the best.

BB: 21/16/5,7/71/108 (VPIP/PFR/3B/FlopCB/H)


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

Really good analysis. The only thing is I would add some QQ in his range, I think it's quite possible he 3bets that (and bets twice). On the turn if he made a smaller bet I would be very tempted to shove over. When he bets that big... I'm not sure we have much fold equity.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

people do not 3b bluff from BB vs UTG ... probably 3b only premium.
so when he bets F+T out of position we are looking at QQ+

i like the fold on turn ,even tough i probably would have called if i was at the tables


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IPtkv
Joined: 30.08.2011
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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

We are on MP. From BB it is more likely he 3b depolarized.
I think KhKx and QhQx are possible but what bothers me is that his bets are on the bigger side. Folding is ok.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Rly good play, you avoided getting stacked!

I like raising flop, though, because:

We probably stack his AxKh where we crush him with 32% freeroll
We probably make him throw away QQ without heart
We are fliping against QxQh
Against KxKh we have 43%
Against AA we have 37% and although its rly optimistic to think he can fold, we still have some FE


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Your analysis isn't entirely consistent. First you assign to him a polarized range consisting of 8 combos for value (count them!) and 24 bluffs. The you rule out 4-bet bluffing because he is unknown8-o

Turn: Gambling is legal. But fold is fine since I doubt he'll pay off should you hit a flush. The question is how much the high cards count for. Don't know, Equilab needed for that. Also, if I were villain holding QQ/JJ, I'd c-bet them flop and turn every day. (Why set-mine with hands like QQ/JJ with a 3-bet? Doesn't make any sense whatsoever.)


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by YohanN7
Your analysis isn't entirely consistent. First you assign to him a polarized range consisting of 8 combos for value (count them!) and 24 bluffs. The you rule out 4-bet bluffing because he is unknown8-o

True, but I'm not sure what his range is and I wouldn't 4bet bluff vs someone I'm not sure or at least have some clue of how he reacts to 4bets. I just gave him a range that I would use because I have to start with something. Nevertheless, I mentioned 4bet bluffing as a consideration how would I play my entire range, but it's not that relevant for my particular holding in this hand. AKo definitelly isn't a hand to 4bet bluff with in this situation, I believe.


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2reac
Joined: 10.04.2014

Originally posted by nsavov
Rly good play, you avoided getting stacked!

I like raising flop, though, because:

We probably stack his AxKh where we crush him with 32% freeroll
We probably make him throw away QQ without heart
We are fliping against QxQh
Against KxKh we have 43%
Against AA we have 37% and although its rly optimistic to think he can fold, we still have some FE

Yep! I like it! Raise/stacking is probably the best line here. We have some FEQ and still 50% EQ against his continuing range.

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Board: 8♥3♥T♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    49.75%  40.58%   9.17% { AhKd }
MP3    50.25%  41.07%   9.17% { AA, KdKh, KhKs, KhKc, QdQh, QhQs, QhQc, AhKh, AdKh, AsKh, AcKh }


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nsavov
Rly good play, you avoided getting stacked!

I like raising flop, though, because:

We probably stack his AxKh where we crush him with 32% freeroll
We probably make him throw away QQ without heart
We are fliping against QxQh
Against KxKh we have 43%
Against AA we have 37% and although its rly optimistic to think he can fold, we still have some FE

Make sense! Thanks! :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Your analysis isn't entirely consistent. First you assign to him a polarized range consisting of 8 combos for value (count them!) and 24 bluffs. The you rule out 4-bet bluffing because he is unknown8-o

True, but I'm not sure what his range is and I wouldn't 4bet bluff vs someone I'm not sure or at least have some clue of how he reacts to 4bets. I just gave him a range that I would use because I have to start with something. Nevertheless, I mentioned 4bet bluffing as a consideration how would I play my entire range, but it's not that relevant for my particular holding in this hand. AKo definitelly isn't a hand to 4bet bluff with in this situation, I believe.

I would not 3b bluff AKo either but have to disagree that vs unknown we should not have a 3b bluff range.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by YohanN7
Your analysis isn't entirely consistent. First you assign to him a polarized range consisting of 8 combos for value (count them!) and 24 bluffs. The you rule out 4-bet bluffing because he is unknown8-o

True, but I'm not sure what his range is and I wouldn't 4bet bluff vs someone I'm not sure or at least have some clue of how he reacts to 4bets. I just gave him a range that I would use because I have to start with something. Nevertheless, I mentioned 4bet bluffing as a consideration how would I play my entire range, but it's not that relevant for my particular holding in this hand. AKo definitelly isn't a hand to 4bet bluff with in this situation, I believe.

I would not 3b bluff AKo either but have to disagree that vs unknown we should not have a 3b bluff range.

You ment 4b bluff, right?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

4bet bluff. Right.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Well played imo.


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