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NL6 888 - KK should i fold turn ?

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stompy91
Joined: 09.04.2012

Pacific, $0.03/$0.06 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $6 (100 bb)
BB: $6.91 (115.2 bb)
Hero (MP): $8.35 (139.2 bb)
CO: $6.09 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $5.52 (92 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K K
Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.60, BB folds, Hero calls $0.42

Flop: ($1.26) T J 3 (2 players)
SB bets $0.94, Hero calls $0.94

Turn: ($3.14) Q (2 players)
SB bets $2.23, Hero calls $2.23

River: ($7.60) J (2 players)
SB bets $2.23 and is all-in, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$7.60 pot ($0.44 rake)
Final Board: T J 3 Q J
SB mucked and won $7.16 ($3.39 net)
Hero mucked K K and lost (-$3.77 net)

villain : VPIP -7 PFR - 7 AG - 6.0 Hands - 16

In this hand i decided to play slow as villain looked aggro and i though he would barrel off low flops and i could call him down 3 streets. The cards ran out terrible and i think the turn should be a fold as he very likely has AK or 10s+. What confused me also is that he was insta-betting 2/3rds pot on flop and turn then tanked on the river.

My personal analysis is that i should have 4-bet/got it in pre-flop and not much i can do other than fold the turn if i'm not going to call the river as played. Would a flop raise make sense?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Just 4bet/call preflop with your hand.
Raise flop too.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I'd fold the turn if played passively on the flop


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

If you're going to fold at all, fold early.
If you're going to get it in, get it in as soon as you decide to take it all the way.

So, this hand is 4Bet/call pre-flop.
AA, QQ, JJ, AK and even TT are all possible hands for villain.
If he calls your pre-flop 4Bet with any of those, you're going to lose this hand -- but that's poker.

Best of luck,
VS


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

4bet pre. Raise OTF. You played this very passively and folded OTR to a very little bet.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What do you beat on river?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you beat on river?

AQ.


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Wow. You really played this hand very passively. Should have 4bet preflop. Should have raised on the flop. And you folded the river when you were getting like 4.5:1. The J on the river doesn't change much. If he had you beat, he had you before the river.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you beat on river?

AQ.

Will he 3 bet it prefop?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by nitrol
What do you beat on river?

AQ.

Will he 3 bet it prefop?

Maybe.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not believe it.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not believe it.

Why not? I would... AQ and AJ are perfect hands to be used for 3betting preflop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Only if villain 3 bets depolarised.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

There is nothing inherently wrong with slowplaying a couple combos of AA/KK preflop. (Default is to 4-bet ofc.) But then treating them as anything else than a pair postflop when they miss is a costly mistake. What exactly do you beat on the turn, and how likely are these hands? Out of 18 combos of AQ/AJ I'd reduce these to 9 combos for 3-betting UTG from SB (and that is high). Then keep reducing for flop and turn (fire twice for value holding these as SB?), and there are few combos left that you beat.

I realize that I am talking about folding an overpair with an open ended straight draw, but he has 23 combos (9 sets, 8 A/K, 6 AA) having us nutted and should reasonably have a shortage of bluffs because our own (by him perceived) range doesn't really stink.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Berezovaya

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not believe it.

Why not? I would... AQ and AJ are perfect hands to be used for 3betting preflop.

Will you play the same with these hands postflop.


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

KK seems to me a hand to go all in with. So the sooner the better. Big 4B preflop. Only AA, KK, AK will continue. Excellent chance to pick up the pot.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Berezovaya

Originally posted by nitrol
I do not believe it.

Why not? I would... AQ and AJ are perfect hands to be used for 3betting preflop.

Will you play the same with these hands postflop.

I wouldn't, tho I can still imagine a nl6 player to play both of them that way


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