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SH KK, Going broke preflop #3

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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I had a couple of similar spots with KK latelly and I wonder did I do something wrong in those hands because was told that I missplayed them.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $11.85 (118.5 bb)
BB: $8.14 (81.4 bb)
UTG: $10.87 (108.7 bb)
MP: $10.15 (101.5 bb)
CO: $11.70 (117 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10.65 (106.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K K
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, SB folds, BB calls $0.80, UTG raises to $10.87, Hero calls $9.75 and is all-in, BB folds

Flop: ($22.25) 5 7 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($22.25) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($22.25) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Preflop: 19/14 (37 hands) UTG opened and I decided to 3bet for value. I 3bet QQ+,AKs for value by default in this situation and even though he seems to be tight, I believe KK is still a value 3bet. The 55/37 (39 hands) fish joined and the UTG decided to shove. I believe folding would be too weak even though he is most likelly tighter than an average player. Furthermore, I have just 37 hands on him and no reads, so I don't like folding, especially when there is a chance that the fish will join.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Vs. A tight UTG AKs and QQ might be a call, especially AKs here when there is a fish on the blinds. I personally would never fold KK in such situation. Could fold KK only if I have lets say more than 2k hands against someone and his 4bet is 1.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Why are you 3b for value KK+ against LAGs and QQ+ against TAGs? Doesnt make much sense, as Vaskata said, AK,QQ is a better flat.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think this hand too is well played. I wouldn't fold KK pre.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

After the 3 bet I would stick with the hand.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
After the 3 bet I would stick with the hand.

I had posted all three KK hands in my blog, joking that there is some animosity between me and KK because I lost all of them (two vs AA and one vs AK) and the guy said that there is animosity because I missplayed all three hands, so I wanted to check am I crazy or what... :f_eek:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Nothing crazy, as you cannot win a 100% of the time. Yes, you will lose a part but that is the game and you know it, no need to convince you that.


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Somebody told you you missplay Kings when stacking off preflop 100bb deep? Surely he would have folded because of his extremely good NL10 reads and skillz :facepalm:

But Im still interested in why do you 3bet QQ against tight players and flat them against LAGs/maniacs? That logic seems flawed :thinking: The reason of that you are MP vs BU and that you are getting cold 4bet twice as much when in MP shouldnt make much of a difference. ?(


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nsavov
Somebody told you you missplay Kings when stacking off preflop 100bb deep? Surely he would have folded because of his extremely good NL10 reads and skillz :facepalm:

But Im still interested in why do you 3bet QQ against tight players and flat them against LAGs/maniacs? That logic seems flawed :thinking: The reason of that you are MP vs BU and that you are getting cold 4bet twice as much when in MP shouldnt make much of a difference. ?(

I'm not sure where did I mention that I 3bet QQ against tight players and flat against LAGs/maniacs. That's certainly not the case. In the opening post I just said that my default value 3bet range in this situation is QQ+,AKs (by default I mean vs unknowns). I will be tighter vs tight players and looser vs maniacs. :f_thumbsup:


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Oh, ok that makes sense... My fault, I didnt understand what you mean exactly "by default". Because in #2 you say only KK+ and the guy has PFR of 29. Nevermind. Nice hand :f_drink:


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