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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

SB 20/14
3b:10
Agg%: 45
Raise cb: 100 (1/1, this hand not included)
136h

Flop: I could 3b flop, but then I just get action vs 22/77, I got 50% vs them, so it looks okey, but IMO calling on such dry board is much more +EV than 3b.

Turn: Now it gets ugly, don't see him betting his bluffs, so if we look into his value range it's 22/77, maybe he is x/r flop with A2s as semi bluff. Whwn we add this hand to his range we can call, but it's very unlikely that he plays this way OTF w that hand.

River: I can't call this shove, he has 22 or 77 99% of the time and even if he has one combo of A2s ( there are 2 combos total), I still can't call, he has to be shoving those 2 combos of A2s so I could make slightly profitable call. My hand is just bluff catcher and he doesn't have any bluffs.

IMO river is a fold, it might sound insane, but it might be that we should even consider folding OTT.

What do you think?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2831651
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $34.79
Hero (UTG): $43.85
MP: $36.60
CO: $13.95
BTN: $27.16
SB: $34.35

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 5 :diamond: 5 :spade:
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.25) 7 :spade: 2 :club: 5 :heart: (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.02, CO folds, BTN folds, SB raises to $6.66, Hero calls $4.64

Turn: ($16.57) 2 :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $6.75, Hero calls $6.75

River: ($30.07) Q :diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $20.19 all in, Hero ???


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

We don't know if he is capable of playing hand like 56s or 67s like this. But maybe some of those combos should not be easy discarded. Anyway, looks like good fold on the river.
I personally don't think that I would be capable to fold FH:f_biggrin:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Why not stack him off on flop?


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

We can stack off OTF, but we only get action from 22/77, I think that he can semi bluff sometimes OTF, so that's why I called, but when he bets OTT I can't see him bluffing.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by VaskataBuci
I personally don't think that I would be capable to fold FH:f_biggrin:

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Well, you (OP) have made up your mind (they never bluff here/they never VB worse/they will call with nuts only/min-bet on turn is a FH better than mine always so I fold FH getting better than 3:1). Don't really see the point of your post.


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I don't really see what the problem is. You have a full house, and you're getting great odds to call. All in.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by LuckyManFromLT
We can stack off OTF, but we only get action from 22/77, I think that he can semi bluff sometimes OTF, so that's why I called, but when he bets OTT I can't see him bluffing.

Can he do that with overpairs?


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

it's a snap call. without any read, I don't even think about it . Does he slow pay monsters pre? AA -KK, umlikely but you can add a couple of combos there. Is he capable to call 72 there? 52?

Can he play AK this way ? 46s? AQ?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

86 too. :)


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would snap call it OTR.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is not a snap call on the river. It's good to make a habit of thinking it over. I agree with OP that 3*77 + 22 are villains most likely combos. It is from that point we disagree. Just two combos that we beat are needed for a call. Instead of speculating about what these may be (this may take time you don't have at the table), one can simply reason that we have the nut bluff catcher and make a GTO call. (It would be horrible thing if villain somehow knew or even suspected that we can fold second nuts, even worse so on the turn.)


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

Why are 77/22 more likely? x/r dry flop and barrel T does not smell like boat/quads imo.

I feel like overplayed 88-JJ etc are way more likely than 77/22

I would not fold river and even thinking of folding the turn is a pretty bad sign of playing incredibly nut-scared. Have you been running super shitty or something recently? :f_p:


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Yes, big bets = bluffs, slowplaying and small bets = nuts. Sure.

True, some players play that way. They are the easiest opponents in the world once you get a read on them.

Also, some players believe others play that way. Those are even easier. Bluff small and expect folds. Value bet big and expect calls.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What hands is he xr on flop mw?


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

I can say one thing from population reads that nobody ( I'm talking about regs) x/r here w overpair when I op from UTG and bet into 3 opponents. He doesn't have QQ+. Given the action pre and OTF he has to super aggressive to bluff this turn.

OTF he is x/r 77/22/86s/75s A4s,A3s ( with backdoor FD) and I think it's even optimistic to think that he x/r all those combos of semi bluffs OTF and he might fold hand like 75s pre.

Do you think he barrels them OTT, when I b/c OTF?


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

Would be really nice to hear some coaches opinions on this hand


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Originally posted by LuckyManFromLT
I can say one thing from population reads that nobody ( I'm talking about regs) x/r here w overpair when I op from UTG and bet into 3 opponents. He doesn't have QQ+. Given the action pre and OTF he has to super aggressive to bluff this turn.

OTF he is x/r 77/22/86s/75s A4s,A3s ( with backdoor FD) and I think it's even optimistic to think that he x/r all those combos of semi bluffs OTF and he might fold hand like 75s pre.

Do you think he barrels them OTT, when I b/c OTF?

If he has bluffs, then yes, he almost always barrels the on the turn as well since his mission is almost accomplished (two folded) and his perceived range is super-strong. He isn't targeting full houses expecting them to fold. He is targeting a wide assortment of overpairs (and is jumping up and down of joy if full houses fold). But I still agree that his most likely holding is 77/22. A 77/22 might be many times more likely than each of the overpairs and draws. But there are plenty of those to begin with. I am never folding on the turn getting better than 3:1 with second nuts, not even if every coach in the universe stepped in and said "they are never bluffing here".


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If 77/22 is his most likely holding on turn we should fold as we do not beat anything more...


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by LuckyManFromLT
Do you think he barrels them OTT, when I b/c OTF?

Of course he is barreling turn. Nothing much changed.


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LuckyManFromLT
Joined: 12.11.2013

So why I should fold in SB eyes if nothing changed?


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