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Should i´ve slowed down on the turn?

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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

Villan is a 44/17 over 19 hands and seemed like a callingstation.
I bet the flop and turn for value against his draws but i´m thinking maybe i should check the turn and hope to hit my flush?

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $4.23 (211.5 bb)
BB: $4.99 (249.5 bb)
MP: $1.61 (80.5 bb)
CO: $0.78 (39 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.11 (105.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
MP calls $0.02, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.08, SB calls $0.07, BB folds, MP calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.26) Q 8 J (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.18, SB folds, MP calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.62) 3 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.39, MP calls $0.39

River: ($1.40) A (2 players)
MP bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

Results:

Spoiler

$1.44 pot ($0.05 rake)
Final Board: Q 8 J 3 A
MP showed 9 T and won $1.39 ($0.72 net)
Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$0.67 net)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

A pair +draw is normally a xc on turn. Or I maybe wrong.


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No. I like the bet on the turn. You had top pair/kicker, and the nut flush draw. Others might disagree, but I would have bet the turn in that situation too.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

In fact, betting sounds like it. We can charge 1spade hands that are growing deadifanother spade hits.


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NothingIsForSho
Joined: 01.06.2014

In such spots I expect that you find as I do that the SB or MP will actually donk this flop a lot, and then basically fold everything once they check.

My point is that in my personal experience if they x/call they mostly have very weak hands like a Jack or 98 that will fold on the turn vs a bet.

So in my personal opinion I don't think I can value bet the turn since I don't believe I will be called by worse. Even if GTO is bet bet, because players donk on the flop so often, they basically have hands that are too weak to call a turn bet after x/c on flop.

Then of course they occasionally show up with a two pairs+, so when you get called on the turn you should be highly suspicious in general. That's how I view the situation.

Let me know if you find this useful or not or agree/disagree.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I like double barreling this. You have TPTK and A♠: which reduces his flush combos imo.


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

Well, i kind of feel that i should bet the turn to make him pay for draws and i have the nut flushdraw that i can hit on the river.
But i'm still not sure.
What if he'd checked the river, would you bet and hope to get called by a Jx or something or should i check?


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

Originally posted by NothingIsForSho
In such spots I expect that you find as I do that the SB or MP will actually donk this flop a lot, and then basically fold everything once they check.

My point is that in my personal experience if they x/call they mostly have very weak hands like a Jack or 98 that will fold on the turn vs a bet.

So in my personal opinion I don't think I can value bet the turn since I don't believe I will be called by worse. Even if GTO is bet bet, because players donk on the flop so often, they basically have hands that are too weak to call a turn bet after x/c on flop.

Then of course they occasionally show up with a two pairs+, so when you get called on the turn you should be highly suspicious in general. That's how I view the situation.

Let me know if you find this useful or not or agree/disagree.

But don't you think that because he's so passive he could have limped with lets say AJ or J7 or something?
He would probably call 2 Streets if he's a callingstation.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Well that is only 19 hands so we can't draw any conclusions.


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swampyking
Joined: 05.10.2008

True


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