[PLO2] Try to move up in stakes! 2016

JANUARY OBJECTIVES:

get as much info as possible from PLO from scratch into my head
watch videos with PLO sessions
study PLO hands discussed on thread "Hand discussions for Omaha"
play around 30.000 hands
move to PLO5 asap

I am playing on PokerStars. I have to get used with big swings and keep calm at the tables no matter what.
First session at PLO2 went ok:

And of course a standard set up:
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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Hero (SB): $3.99 (199.5 bb)
BB: $0.76 (38 bb)
MP: $1.77 (88.5 bb)
CO: $1.09 (54.5 bb)
BTN: $4.37 (218.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 K T J
MP calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: ($0.10) 9 T Q (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets $0.06, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, Hero raises to $0.40, BB folds, MP calls $0.34, CO folds, BTN calls $0.34

Turn: ($1.36) 5 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.32, MP raises to $1.35 and is all-in, BTN raises to $3.92, Hero calls $2.25 and is all-in

River: ($9.85) 4 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Good luck!

Hello!

First a typo - you want to move up to PLO5 asap

My thoughts to your hand:
I wouldn't check-raise against four other players without the nuts and/or the possible nuts on further streets. You didn't want to protect the hand therefore I would try to keep the pot small. You wasted literally 17BB on the flop and the turn would have been around 40BB smaller ($0.34). This would save money one the turn, and after getting reraised you can expect that someone is free rolling.
But to be honest - I don't know how much I would have lost.

Good luck for your journey!

Flop: pot donk/ call single raise, turn pot donk shove any safe turn.

Originally posted by Rhodriguez
Hello!

First a typo - you want to move up to PLO5 asap

My thoughts to your hand:
I wouldn't check-raise against four other players without the nuts and/or the possible nuts on further streets. You didn't want to protect the hand therefore I would try to keep the pot small. You wasted literally 17BB on the flop and the turn would have been around 40BB smaller ($0.34). This would save money one the turn, and after getting reraised you can expect that someone is free rolling.
But to be honest - I don't know how much I would have lost.

Good luck for your journey!

I got so used to "NL" term that I automatically right it down. :))

Regarding the hand posted above, I was almost sure that someone would have bet on that flop giving me the opportunity to pot it afterwards having the nutstraight at that moment. On that turn potbet standard for me I suppose and the river is what it is.

Originally posted by Janosikgdy
Flop: pot donk/ call single raise, turn pot donk shove any safe turn.

Are you folding on that flop after multiple raisings in front of you with nutstraight?

The graph from today:

Man, sometimes I have no ideea what to do with my hand and I just fold it. I need to study alot at this game because I suck big time when I get 3beted, actually I have no clue what to do whether I 3bet or I am being 3beted. Another problem I have with AA hands that have bad cards along with them.

It might be a dumb question but OOP it's a must to 3bet AA with weak cards against whales? Or should I do it only IP?
I need some advice with this hand:
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.93 (146.5 bb)
BB: $2.62 (131 bb)
UTG: $4.05 (202.5 bb)
MP: $2.18 (109 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.04 (102 bb)
BTN: $1.90 (95 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A 7 Q
UTG raises to $0.07, MP folds, Hero calls $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.29) 4 9 7 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $0.18, BB folds, UTG calls $0.18, Hero folds

Turn: ($0.65) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.24, BTN calls $0.24

River: ($1.13) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.32, BTN folds

Results:

The guy that opens preflop is a whale 77/30 VPIP/PFR. What should I do in this kind of spots?
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Here is another one with the same guy mentioned before but this time OOP:
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.01 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.02 (101 bb)
MP: $3.24 (162 bb)
CO: $2.69 (134.5 bb)
BTN: $3.78 (189 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A A 3 2
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.07, CO folds, BTN calls $0.07, SB folds, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) T 6 Q (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.14, BTN calls $0.14, Hero folds

Turn: ($0.50) 5 (2 players)
MP checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.50) 8 (2 players)
MP checks, BTN checks

Results:

Is there a better way to play it?
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Somehow I am loosing alot of pots in witch I invest 20-25bb. Most of them are pots that I 3bet preflop and give up later. I have to check that out a little bit.
Here is another hand that I had no ideea how to play it postflop:
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $1.98 (99 bb)
BB: $1.66 (83 bb)
MP: $1.44 (72 bb)
CO: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $2.93 (146.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q A T
MP raises to $0.04, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.19, SB folds, BB calls $0.17, MP calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.77) 9 6 Q (4 players)
BB checks, MP checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.22, BB folds, MP calls $0.22, CO raises to $1.62, 2 folds

Results:

At that moment I just thought "lets make a small bet after the 3 checks and see what will happen with the intention to fold if someone raises". I followed the plan but I doubt that it is ok what I did there. What do you think?
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Thank you!

Today I decided to play at the ZOOM tables of PLO2. I played only around 1k hands but the feeling is that the opponents are tighter than at the regular tables.
Here is the graph of the session:

And here is another hand with AA that I guess that I played like shit again:
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $3.26 (163 bb)
BB: $2.32 (116 bb)
UTG: $3.07 (153.5 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.21 (110.5 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A 8 2
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BB raises to $0.22, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45) 4 2 9 (2 players)
BB bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.01) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $0.68, Hero folds

Results:

Villain is playing 40/22 and this is his first and only 3bet but the sample is of only 51 hands. I guess that I should have 4beted and go with it, right?
Good luck all!

Originally posted by T3rMiT3

Are you folding on that flop after multiple raisings in front of you with nutstraight?

yes

I can't give you much advice about 3/4-bet - not because I'm mean but right now that topic is a mess in my head and I'm struggeling too.

But to your question(s) yesterday: I think it's perfectly fine not to 3-bet aces when the only thing you really can hope for is top set. Specially when you will be OOP and specially when you are deep.
I think on the 3rd hand your c-bet was too small to accomplish anything other than giving proper odds.

Your hand from today: myself would have raised his bet on the flop.

Now I'm wondering which path you will take - loose or fast? And most important keep the positive results coming in!

I'll keep playing ZOOM a few more days at least to see how it goes.
I played another session that ended a few moments ago. Man, I got in alot of sick spots and got rivered alot, that's how I felt for sure.

I am f.... intrigued by the last hand of the session though:
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.08 (104 bb)
BB: $2.05 (102.5 bb)
UTG: $3.24 (162 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $1.89 (94.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $5.82 (291 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A J 3
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 3 A J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.43, Hero folds

Results:

What the hell is he raising on that flop?! Villain is playing 37/7 but I had only 37 hands on him, and never raised a cbet before. I was just thinking that he has a set and I am way behind in this case even though I have the floped cards in my hand too. Decided to make a tight fold. What do you think? Am I playing too tight?

Good luck!

OMG!!! I just had a terrible session and had to close the tables because I couldn't stand it anymore. Here is the graph:

AA hands got me into trouble again. Here are 4 of them that I lost and maybe someone can tell me if I am playing them completely wrong:
Number 1
This is sick man...
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.28 (114 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $2.11 (105.5 bb)
MP: $2.48 (124 bb)
CO: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
BTN: $5.41 (270.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 A 6 A
Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.07, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.22) Q 4 Q (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.22) A (3 players)
BB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

River: ($0.52) 8 (3 players)
BB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, BTN folds, BB raises to $1.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.43

Results:

Number 2
In my opinion this is standard... can't believe with what junk they are going all in preflop.
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $1.91 (95.5 bb)
BB: $1.80 (90 bb)
UTG: $2.38 (119 bb)
MP: $2.20 (110 bb)
Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A A 2 7
UTG raises to $0.06, MP folds, Hero raises to $0.21, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.71, BB folds, UTG calls $0.65, Hero raises to $2 and is all-in, SB calls $1.20 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.29

Flop: ($5.93) K J Q (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($5.93) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($5.93) 5 (3 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Number 3
This one I wanted to check/fold that flop at first but I guess that I was a little bit tilted/angry or something and went all in...anyway, morron hit his card/end of story
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $2.16 (108 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $2.10 (105 bb)
MP: $3.49 (174.5 bb)
CO: $4.12 (206 bb)
BTN: $2.80 (140 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 A A 7
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BB raises to $0.18, Hero raises to $0.54, BB calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.08) 7 9 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.52, Hero raises to $1.62 and is all-in, BB calls $0.94 and is all-in

Turn: ($4) 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($4) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results:

Number 4
Man, WTF is going on today?! Everyone is hiting against me... I think that I played ok this hand though...
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $3.47 (173.5 bb)
BB: $1.85 (92.5 bb)
UTG: $2.62 (131 bb)
MP: $2.67 (133.5 bb)
CO: $4.67 (233.5 bb)
BTN: $2.83 (141.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A 6 4
UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.09, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds, MP raises to $0.38, BTN calls $0.29, Hero raises to $1.54, MP calls $1.16, BTN calls $1.16

Flop: ($4.64) 4 K 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $1.93, MP calls $1.13 and is all-in, BTN folds

Turn: ($6.90) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($6.90) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

I would really apreciate some comments regarding the hands posted above. Maybe I am playing wrong, I have no ideea, help is needed!!! :))
Thank you and good luck!

Unfortunately - sometimes it's brutal.

Number 1: Your opponent made a perfect slowplay. You could have tried to c-bet the flop to see if someone has a claim with trips for the pot. But whit this turn it could have been easy overfull vs underfull or your full house vs pocket kings with nutflush.

Number 2: UTG has 36.5% - not that bad vs two player. If SB had aces - 40.9%. But I agree, not enough connected to play in the first place.

Number 3: As nuts you can only hope for a top set. Maybe a wheel. No flush no straight with 2-7 or 7-A. And you will be OOP in futher streets. And on this flop - it's so easy to have something.

Number 4: For me this are Aces with rags +OOP +vs potentially 3 oppnents. First you call, and then instead of closing the betting round (or even fold) you are re-initiating a new betting round. And how does someone feel about their hand when limp/raise? Maybe AA** too - but mostlikely better ones and IP vs you. But as played your decision on the flop was correct.

I'm not sure - maybe I give away value. But at this stake there is enough value in other spots and I can still improve on higher stakes.

Originally posted by Rhodriguez
Number 4: For me this are Aces with rags +OOP +vs potentially 3 oppnents. First you call, and then instead of closing the betting round (or even fold) you are re-initiating a new betting round. And how does someone feel about their hand when limp/raise? Maybe AA** too - but mostlikely better ones and IP vs you. But as played your decision on the flop was correct.

Well, I thought that I should keep the pot small since we were a little bit deep and that is the main reason for calling the 8cents first, but when the guy after me 3beted to 38cents, gave me the perfect opportunity to get alot of my chips in preflop and not to call there for set value, and after that shove almost on any flop.
I thought it was easier to play but still could there be a better way, I don't know.

Hey. Sorry i sm writing from mobile so wont qoute.

I refer to a hand from few days ago. You didnt 4 bet aaxx. When you are 150bb > u should always 4 bet/ jam every aaxx. When you call it you risk making many mistakes postflop. U nwver make mistake by 4bet aa.

What is more: with aa in 4 bet pots psb is around 1 so in hu you always shove or call a donk. In 3 way u go allin in 90% ( maybe u could fold on boards like 789 monotone) i am writing this because u were confused in some spots when u hold aa and spr was very low.

Man, it is going worst than ever at the ZOOM tables. I just can't win a fucking hand. Here is he graph from today:

Lost alot with AA as always against villains that called witl all kind of shit and hit magic turns and rivers as allways. I might just suck big time at this game so I'll take a break from it and get back when I am a little bit more prepared.
Good luck all!

Man, looking at some hands from todays gives me a headache. I played horrible this time. Just a couple of hands from today:
Number 1
I guess that here it should have been more ok just to call the flop and fold on that turn afterwards, right?
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.66 (133 bb)
BB: $5.07 (253.5 bb)
UTG: $2.95 (147.5 bb)
MP: $6.76 (338 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.18 (159 bb)
BTN: $2.62 (131 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 A K Q
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.07, Hero calls $0.07, BTN folds, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.28) 9 2 T (4 players)
SB bets $0.27, BB calls $0.27, MP calls $0.27, Hero raises to $1.62, SB raises to $2.59, BB folds, MP calls $2.32, Hero calls $0.97

Turn: ($8.32) 4 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.52 and is all-in, MP calls $0.52

River: ($9.36) 3 (3 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Number 2
Here I should have folded that flop. Is it normal for the villain to play like that preflop with that kind of hand? I still have troubles understanding some of the lines..
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $2.94 (147 bb)
BB: $0.63 (31.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $3.32 (166 bb)
MP: $2.09 (104.5 bb)
CO: $1.13 (56.5 bb)
BTN: $10.89 (544.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2 A 6 A
Hero raises to $0.07, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.23, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.71, SB calls $0.48

Flop: ($1.44) 6 K 8 (2 players)
SB bets $1.39, Hero raises to $2.61 and is all-in, SB calls $0.84

Turn: ($5.90) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($5.90) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Number 3
This hand was against a villain that seemed agressive, but probably made a huge overplay here as well:
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $6.47 (323.5 bb)
BB: $1 (50 bb)
Hero (UTG): $3.31 (165.5 bb)
MP: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
CO: $2.54 (127 bb)
BTN: $2.26 (113 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J T A K
Hero raises to $0.07, 2 folds, BTN raises to $0.24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BTN raises to $2.26 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.51

Flop: ($4.55) J 7 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($4.55) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($4.55) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

Number 4
Well, of this one I am so embarrassed, but I was on tilt at that moment I after this one I checked to sit me out on next blinds at all the tables.
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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SB: $4.73 (236.5 bb)
BB: $6.69 (334.5 bb)
Hero (UTG): $4.74 (237 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $3.43 (171.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T 4 4 T
Hero raises to $0.07, 4 folds, BB raises to $0.22, Hero calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.45) 4 7 A (2 players)
BB bets $0.28, Hero raises to $1.28, BB raises to $4.28, Hero raises to $4.52 and is all-in, BB calls $0.24

Turn: ($9.49) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($9.49) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

In conclusion, I have to study more about the game and only after that hit the tables again. I have to be alot more tight and not go broke like a kamikaze like I did so far.
Good luck all!

Good news!
I managed to recover most of the losses from PLO ZOOM playing NL2 and I will start playing again PLO tomorrow but at normal tables this time.

I will try to play as tight as possible and see how it goes. Current bankroll is at $96.36.

Good luck!

PS: me "lucky" as always
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
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SB: $2.62 (131 bb)
BB: $2.27 (113.5 bb)
MP1: $2.04 (102 bb)
MP2: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $7.19 (359.5 bb)
CO: $1.94 (97 bb)
BTN: $2 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A A
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.21, CO folds, BTN calls $0.21, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $7.19 and is all-in, BTN folds, MP2 calls $1.40 and is all-in

Flop: ($4.24) 9 2 6 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Turn: ($4.24) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($4.24) J (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: