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SuperChompa
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Joined: 26.07.2016
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23.01.2017, 14:04

PokerStars - €0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 136.6 BB
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BB: 241.6 BB (VPIP: 21.81, PFR: 15.43, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 192)
UTG: 115.4 BB (VPIP: 25.86, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 60)
MP: 59.6 BB (VPIP: 19.67, PFR: 15.48, 3Bet Preflop: 10.20, Hands: 241)
CO: 70.7 BB (VPIP: 14.07, PFR: 11.85, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 138)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 3♣ 4♣

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 4 BB

Flop: (13 BB, 2 players) 5♣ 9♥ A♣
SB checks, Hero bets 7.4 BB, SB raises to 21 BB, Hero calls 13.6 BB

Turn: (55 BB, 2 players) 5♠
SB bets 30 BB, Hero calls 30 BB

River: (115 BB, 2 players) A♦
SB checks, Hero bets 79.6 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

Hero wins 109.1 BB
Rake paid 5.9 BB

What do you think about shove river here?


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YohanN7
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23.01.2017, 14:13

For starters, you don't have the implied odds to call on turn.


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nitrol
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23.01.2017, 14:39

Fold preflop vs the 3b.
Turn fold is obvious.


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SuperChompa
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23.01.2017, 14:50

I have 12 outs, he bets 30. so to call I need to win 120 (moreless). It is going to be more that that on the river. Ok, I have reverse implied odds. But to me turn call does not look that bad.


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SuperChompa
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23.01.2017, 14:52

snowie says it is a call preflop =)


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la55i
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23.01.2017, 15:34

Imo quite loose defend pre. Turn I would fold.


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SuperChompa
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23.01.2017, 16:38

Ok .. if you say so I believe you. Let's say that a spew with happy ending xD That's true that if he folds an ace or KK-QQ here that's a miracle.


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YohanN7
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23.01.2017, 16:43

Originally posted by SuperChompa
I have 12 outs, he bets 30. so to call I need to win 120 (moreless). It is going to be more that that on the river. Ok, I have reverse implied odds. But to me turn call does not look that bad.

No, you don't have 12 outs. If he has a full house, you have 0 outs. If he has two :club:, you can't count flush outs. You get 85:30 in direct odds. You'd need to get at least 4:1 in implied odds just to break even - on average. There is only about 45 bb left in his stack, so the most you can get is 130:30, which is barely over 4:1. Remember, it is extremely optimistic to think you'll stack him every time you hit, especially since you are guaranteed to get stacked each time he has a full house (or makes a flush with you).


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YohanN7
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23.01.2017, 16:47 +1

Originally posted by SuperChompa
snowie says it is a call preflop =)
Tell Snowie to fuck off. Call if you think you can do it profitably. This then depends on how well you play postflop, and no robot can tell you that. The better you play, and the worse your opponents play, the looser you can call.


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nitrol
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23.01.2017, 21:28

Originally posted by SuperChompa
I have 12 outs, he bets 30. so to call I need to win 120 (moreless). It is going to be more that that on the river. Ok, I have reverse implied odds. But to me turn call does not look that bad.

On a paired board you maybe totally behind and have 0 outs...


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SuperChompa
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24.01.2017, 19:49

Thanks for advice, now I understand that turn call is not good.
And I will also have a look to some other ranges that are not from snowie and try to find something easy to play.


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21.02.2017, 17:42

Posting this as evidence here ;)

We'll look at the hand around 9:10 pm tonight in
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=2590671#post2590671


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