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[0.25€ Spin] Playing HU with shallow stacks

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kerith
Joined: 30.07.2015

Hello,

I have been trying to learn Spin and Goes, and the part I struggle the most is the HU portion (in fact, I have something like 39% second place finishes over almost 200 spins, which I think indicates my HU game sucks).

The thing is, I get very lost when playing with shallow stacks (<11BB effective), where Open miraising/cbetting makes you almost pot commited. How do you handle these situations? Just push-fold using Nash? And what about if villain minraises his buttons? Do you have a limping range? How does your minraising range look?

I know it's a broad question, and I'd be more than happy with some pointers to videos/articles/books on the subject. It's hard to find good HUSNG material for free (or silver status), and I lack the fundamental concepts of wide range play.

As an example, here is a hand where I felt totally lost:

PokerStars - 40/80 NL (3 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 8.12 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 49)
Hero (SB): 10.62 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♠ T♦

Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (2 BB, 2 players) 8♥ Q♠ J♠
BB checks, Hero bets 1.5 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (5 BB, 2 players) T♠
BB checks, Hero checks

Resutl:

Spoiler

BB shows K♦ J♥ (Two Pair, Jacks and Eights)
(Pre 66%, Flop 78%, Turn 91%)
Hero mucks 7♠ T♦ (Two Pair, Tens and Eights)
(Pre 34%, Flop 22%, Turn 9%)
BB wins 5 BB

Thank you for any help.

Cheers,

Kerith


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi kerith,
I dislike open limping in Spingo. I know a *lot* of players play limp/stab, but I don't like doing that with weak hands.

Here you are the chip leader, so every move you make must make him fear for his life.
So raise pre and shove the flop if you hit -- assuming he calls, which they often don't.

This time, you flop a gutshot, and frankly that sucks, and in the hand example given, you're probably going to lose no matter what you do.
:diamond:  He has KJo, which at this blind level is worth a call.
:diamond:  He flops 2 pair, which he (or rather I ) would check-raise.
:diamond:  I'm stunned he checks it down. In his position, I would bet the turn and the river (assuming you called).

I'm finding my way in Spingo as well -- I'm interested in hearing what others have to say...

Best of luck,
VS


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First, I have moved your hand to our hand discussion board. Not too much to said what VS already said. I would always push or fold in spots like this.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Very easy for him to hit the board, either you bet twice or wait for the 9 (b flop and shove turn or shove the flop)


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msmozzarella
Joined: 14.03.2017

Push/fold is absolutely the way to go with shallower stacks. With >15bb you don't really have much room for tricky plays, so you need to know when and what to adjust againts certain types of opponents. I would just watch regular session videos and really focus on the HU-stage, and try to find spots I think would be applicable to my own games.


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sherriffatman
Joined: 30.04.2009

- maybe look at "ROFL" strategy for H/U play (it's old now, but still useful I think)

- also, why limp-stab 1.5bb on flop? (1bb is sufficient, although you do get more folds with a slightly bigger betsize - eg: 23 into 40)

- maybe stick to push/fold mostly until you get more comfortable playing HU with smaller stacks?


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kerith
Joined: 30.07.2015

Thanks a lot for the kind responses! I'm actually reading the Mersenearry book right now :)


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sherriffatman
Joined: 30.04.2009

Originally posted by kerith
Thanks a lot for the kind responses! I'm actually reading the Mersenearry book right now :)

nice-one mate! (There's still lots of relevant/good stuff in that e-book - I learnt loads from it when I was starting out with HUSnGs tbh)

LMK if you have any specific questions kerith, and I'll try to help/answer as best I can. (Also, other more knowledgeable guys will likely chip in if you show willing to learn) Cheers :f_drink:


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