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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Thanks for the reply.

Originally posted by confidant91

...always depends on board textures.

Let me see if I have board texture understood rightly. This is otherwise known as how wet or dry a board is right?

A flop such as:
2♣:6♥:Q♠:
would be thought of as quite a dry board?

Whereas:
7♣:8♥:Q♦:
is getting a bit wetter because of the straight draw?

Then:
7♣:8♣:Q♦: or 7♣:8♥:9♠:
are getting wetter still as flush and straight draw or a straight possibly already completed?

And finally:
7♣:8♣:9♣:
would be thought of as really wet?

I presume it does still depend on the situation too? If I held Q♠:Q♦: with the final board and villain showed aggression I presumably should be more wary than if I held Q♣:Q♠: on the same board as I have a strong flush possibility too?

Hope these rambling make sense - I am trying to get things straight in my head, so trying to explain it can help.


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Unfortunately, I have just realised I am going to miss the live coaching again tomorrow (don't worry, I will catch up on replays again).

Here are a couple of hands from tonights play for discussion though (either in the coaching or here):

HAND 1

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $2.25 (112.5 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.01 (100.5 bb)
UTG: $2.56 (128 bb)
MP: $2.29 (114.5 bb)
CO: $1.94 (97 bb)
BTN: $1.79 (89.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J♥: J♠:
UTG raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO raises to $0.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.04

Fairly standard Call Pre-flop I think - UTG is unknown so I have to assume he has a fairly tight range from UTG - poor 3bet from CO tells me he is a fish, but not much else?

Flop: ($0.31) T♥: A♦: J♦: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20, CO folds

Nice! I flop a Set - as the strategy says, I plan to raise all 3 streets for value - (diamond flush and straight draw a little worrying) - I bet 2/3 of flop and UTG raiser and me are heads up as CO folds. UTG range I think is Ax, flush or straight draw may be JT or other Jacks or Tens, possibly weaker pocket pairs?

Turn: ($0.71) Q♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.46, UTG calls $0.46

Not a nice card - completes flush and straight draws! I wonder if I should have played this street differently? Perhaps check/call to see if I can ascertain any more info on Villain? Or should I continue to bet for value? Does he have Top pair enough?

River: ($1.63) 8♥: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.05, UTG raises to $1.80 and is all-in, Hero ?

Is betting a good idea here again? Should I have checked or smaller bet? Does UTG re-raise all in with worse hands than my set? There is only 10BB to call so I guess I have to see what he has at this point?

HAND 2

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $4.07 (203.5 bb)
BB: $4.19 (209.5 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.03 (101.5 bb)
BTN: $2.41 (120.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A♥: A♣:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, BTN folds, SB calls $0.04, BB folds

Standard raise pre-flop.

Flop: ($0.12) 7♣: 2♣: T♥: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.08, SB calls $0.08

SB checks, so I continue my aggression with a 2/3 c-bet. What does SB call with here? Weaker pockets? Over-cards? Flush or Straight draw? Top pair?

Turn: ($0.28) 3♦: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, SB calls $0.18

Turn card doesn't really do much for anyone I don't think - I continue my aggression after Villain checks. Does villains range change with the check/call? I guess not?

River: ($0.64) T♦: (2 players)
SB bets $3.76, Hero ?

River pairs the board - SB donks All-in. Does he do this with weaker pairs? KK/QQ/JJ Or bluff busted draws enough to call?

HAND 3 (final one for today)

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $6.66 (333 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
UTG: $4.34 (217 bb)
MP: $2.86 (143 bb)
CO: $3.03 (151.5 bb)
BTN: $2.22 (111 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4♠: 4♦:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Strategy says to call her as per Call20 rule - should I ever be looking to Iso 3bet here or are 4s too small? - maybe with 88+?

Flop: ($0.18) A♥: J♦: Q♥: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

I don't hit my set so easy check/fold as per strategy.

Turn: ($0.18) 3♦: (3 players)
Hero bets $0.11, BB calls $0.11, BTN folds

All players checked the flop so I now believe the others have 2nd pair or worse and am looking to make them fold (this is the way Confidant played a situation like this in the coaching). Should I be betting 2 streets when there are 2 opponents?

River: ($0.40) 2♠: (2 players)
Hero ?

Got one fold on the Turn - Now I am heads up should I continue my aggression and bet the river hoping I get better hands than mine to fold? :Jx: or :Qx:? I assume I am not betting for value very often? 2♠: (or 3♦: from Turn) are not really much good to represent strength with are they?

Anyway, there are a few spots for discussion. Looking forward to hearing how people think I should have played them - I wonder if I played them in a +EV manner?

Be good (or if you can't be good, be lucky)!

FNS1978


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

thanks for the effort. No wories there will be recroding as always.

I will go through hands during the coachings so if u have any other question feel free to ask after the recording is released.


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AnXfile378
Joined: 20.07.2017
confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

Deecent lessons, certainly going to follow these


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Here's a couple of hands for discussion from earlier today:

HAND 1

Perhaps this is more me trying to work out the maths behind this one, but perhaps someone can tell me if I am calculating anything wrong.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $4.13 (206.5 bb)
BB: $2.06 (103 bb)
UTG: $1.50 (75 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (CO): $3.88 (194 bb)
BTN: $2.82 (141 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K♣: A♦:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.05, BTN calls $0.05, SB raises to $0.25, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.70, BTN folds, SB raises to $4.13 and is all-in, Hero ?

RIght so I am pretty sure I am calling the shove (strategy says this is red hand pre-flop and to get all-in) but why?

I don't have any reads on this guy, so I assume he is playing the same (shoving) with QQ+ and AK as per our strategy. Is this fair to say?

If I look at the equity vs this range I get the following from Equilab:

       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     38.82%  18.15%  20.68% { AdKc }
SB     61.18%  40.50%  20.68% { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

When SB shoves over me I have 41% to call, so should this mathematically be a fold?
But does SB shove with a wider range often that makes it +EV to call?
Or should I have 4bet higher to get better pot odds to call an all-in? I think If I raised to 0.85 (roughly 3.5x SB raise I get Pot odds of about 38%).


HAND 2

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $1.97 (98.5 bb)
UTG: $2.93 (146.5 bb)
MP: $7.93 (396.5 bb)
CO: $2.58 (129 bb)
BTN: $1.95 (97.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q♦: Q♥:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.20, BB folds, BTN calls $0.14
I 3bet as per the strategy and get called. Fairly standard pre-flop I believe.

Flop: ($0.42) 2♠: 6♣: A♠: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.27, BTN calls $0.27
Annoying overcard, but I cbet the Flop. Pretty standard again? OR with that overcard would I have been better checking, especially as I am OOP?

Turn: ($0.96) 9♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Board does nothing for me - as per strategy I don't have a made hand I have 2nd pair which is a trash hand, so I should check/fold, but QQ feels to strong to fold? Was thinking I might play check/call - would that have been wrong?

River: ($0.96) 5♦: (2 players)
Hero ?,

So I have 3 options I believe:
Bet - BTN checked back on the flop so does that put his range as now busted flush draw or would Top pair still be in his range?
Check/fold - check to see if I can see the showdown for free? If I don't Top pair is in his range often enough to just fold.
Check/call - QQ are pretty strong still - certainly enough busted draws - he won't fold Top pair to a bet so check for pot control and then see the showdown if the BTN bet is not too out of line?

I think I am leaning towards check/call in this situation. Any thoughts from fellow beginner strategists and/or coach?


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@Spidey1978, Hand #2, I would check-call the river because I find it hard to believe that villain would check the turn while holding an ace on a double flush draw board. Plus, if he really has ace and didn't bet it on the turn, he might be very passive and not bet the river.

Edit: I corrected the mistake. Thanks coldChurch.
Hello!
I'd like to join the group since I used to crush NL 10 2 years ago. Now I can't...
By following the instructions, does this mean that AQs in the BB is a limp or a re-raise?
If SB had folded, do I call or re-raise?

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 212.5 BB (VPIP: 27.59, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 29)
MP: 57 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 221 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 29)
BTN: 40 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q♠ A♠

Note: I'm not sure if this is a cold call or a re-raise since the SB limped.

fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, MP calls 8.5 BB, SB calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (36 BB, 3 players) 4♠ 4♦ 8♦
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: (36 BB, 3 players) T♠
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

River: (36 BB, 3 players) Q♥
SB checks, Hero bets 25.5 BB, MP calls 25.5 BB, fold


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coldchurch
Joined: 20.02.2013

@pokarface I think you misread the hand or are using the wrong terminology. The BTN isn't in the hand, he folded preflop. Or do you mean he posted? That's not in the hand history. Against a 3,5x raise and no info/reads I wouldn't 3bet this, it plays quite well 3way.


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ninjaconsul
Joined: 24.08.2011

Hi Spidey,
Here are some maths about hand 1:
Versus this range, it's clearly fold. The problem in the hand is that you are both playing for almost 200bb.
Especially if you take the rake into account. The rake on pokerstars on NL2 is 3.5%.
You only need to calculate the rake when you win the hand. When you lose the hand, it's your opponent who pays the rake.

The problem with equilab is that it doenst take rake into account. And it makes a big difference.

1. Odds to call = 3.18/(3.88+0.70+0.04+3.18) = 0.4046 (40%)
Since our equity on equilab is only 38.82% we need to fold. But with the rake, our losses are bigger.

2. Expected value:
2a. When we win: 0.3882*(3.88+0.70+0.04) = 1.793484
2b. Rake we pay when we win: 0.035*(3.88+3.88+0.04) = 0.273 (=> 0.27$ on pokerstars)
2c. When we lose: 0.6118*3.18 = 1.945524

2d. Result: 1.793484 - (0.3882*0.27) - 1.945524 = -0.256854

By calling versus this range you actually lose almost 0.26$ every hand (which is 13bb on NL2)
When we fold our expected value is 0.

When we are 200bb deep, we can call a 3Bet with AKo in position. I think a smaller 4bet and a fold on a 5bet is also possible if we expect our villain to have a lot of 3betbluffs and we know he will still call with weaker hands.

Here some explanations about the numbers::
3.18 is how much you need to call
3.88 is villain's all-in (he covers us)
0.70 is how much you already invested in the hand
0.04 is the dead money from the button and the big blind
0.3882 is our equity (equilab) vs villains range (how often we will win)
0.035 is the rake on pokerstars NL2
0.6118 is villain's equity (how often we will lose)


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My mistake, I meant if SB was not involved in the hand.
Yes, I was thinking about playing it passive OOP, but I wanted to know your opinion as well =-)


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Nice to see some action on this forum - hope we can help each other out.

Originally posted by PokarFace
@Spidey1978, Hand #2, I would check-call the river because I find it hard to believe that villain would check the turn while holding an ace on a double flush draw board. Plus, if he really has ace and didn't bet it on the turn, he might be very passive and not bet the river.

Yeah - this was pretty much my thinking - don't need a massive pot here. Small pots for small hands, big pots for big hands and with this board I think QQ is now a small hand.

By following the instructions, does this mean that AQs in the BB is a limp or a re-raise?
If BTN had folded, do I call or re-raise?

Following the beginner strategy in Lesson 1, you can call AQs against a pre-flop raise as long as the raiser has more than 50BB, (MP: 57 BB)so in this case I think you should call - whether SB has called or not doesn't matter. If SB had 3bet then I think an easy fold. I also think 3betting out of position could be a problem as the hand progresses. That's the way I would have played pre-flop at the moment anyway.

The way it was played I probably would have C-bet the Flop and definitely would have c-bet the Turn after the checks on the Flop. When the Q comes on the River I'm pretty sure I bet the river too. But I am admittedly still learning to play better post-flop. Anybody else got any ideas post-flop?


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Originally posted by ninjaconsul
Hi Spidey,
Here are some maths about hand 1:

Spoiler

Versus this range, it's clearly fold. The problem in the hand is that you are both playing for almost 200bb.
Especially if you take the rake into account. The rake on pokerstars on NL2 is 3.5%.
You only need to calculate the rake when you win the hand. When you lose the hand, it's your opponent who pays the rake.

The problem with equilab is that it doenst take rake into account. And it makes a big difference.

1. Odds to call = 3.18/(3.88+0.70+0.04+3.18) = 0.4046 (40%)
Since our equity on equilab is only 38.82% we need to fold. But with the rake, our losses are bigger.

2. Expected value:
2a. When we win: 0.3882*(3.88+0.70+0.04) = 1.793484
2b. Rake we pay when we win: 0.035*(3.88+3.88+0.04) = 0.273 (=> 0.27$ on pokerstars)
2c. When we lose: 0.6118*3.18 = 1.945524

2d. Result: 1.793484 - (0.3882*0.27) - 1.945524 = -0.256854

By calling versus this range you actually lose almost 0.26$ every hand (which is 13bb on NL2)
When we fold our expected value is 0.

When we are 200bb deep, we can call a 3Bet with AKo in position. I think a smaller 4bet and a fold on a 5bet is also possible if we expect our villain to have a lot of 3betbluffs and we know he will still call with weaker hands.

Here some explanations about the numbers::
3.18 is how much you need to call
3.88 is villain's all-in (he covers us)
0.70 is how much you already invested in the hand
0.04 is the dead money from the button and the big blind
0.3882 is our equity (equilab) vs villains range (how often we will win)
0.035 is the rake on pokerstars NL2
0.6118 is villain's equity (how often we will lose)

Thanks for that - very informative. Let me see if I can adapt this to see the maths if I was 100BB.

1. Odds to call - 1.30/(2.00+0.04+0.70+1.30) = 0.3218 SO it would be +EV to call?

2. Expected value:
2a. When we win: 0.3882*(2.00+0.70+0.04) = 1.0637
2b. Rake we pay when we win: 0.035*(2+2+0.04) = 0.1414 (=> 0.14$ on pokerstars)
2c. When we lose: 0.6118*1.30 = 0.7953

2d. Result: 1.0637- (0.3882*0.14) - 0.7953 = 0.2141

So I am now expected to win $0.21 each time I call. Have I calculated everything correctly? Very interesting - so I am guessing around 150BB it become -EV to call All-in with AKo?

Hope this is all correct.


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ninjaconsul
Joined: 24.08.2011

Yes, that seems correct, Spidey.
Just one more thing. When a microstakes villain goes all-in for 150bb or more preflop, his range is often even more tight than AK and QQ+. In these situations you will often find yourself against KK+ only. So above 120bb I often prefere to call 3bets with AKo.

(edit: the dead money in my original post should be 0.07, the BU called your raise before he folded. But that wouldn't change the result much)


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confidant91
Joined: 02.04.2011

This article refers to lesson 1 of the beginners' course:

Lesson 4: Adjustments to the beginner strategy - Pre-flop.

In this lesson we will show how a beginner can improve his game and develop an advanced beginner strategy.

You will learn ...
• ... what to take into account regarding an advanced beginner strategy.
• ... how to optimise your pre-flop play.
• UTG adaption
• MP adaption
• CO adaption
• BU/SB adaption
• BB adaption
• "Multi-way suited connector calls"
• Call on "top pair value"

What you should take into account regarding an advanced beginner strategy
The more advanced the strategy, the more difficult it is to specify it through predetermined ranges, sample charts and standardised playing styles.

Every player has to judge for himself when and how to play and take responsibility for determining whether his playing style will be most profitable in the long run or not.

Therefore, this article won't present any more sample charts or ranges. Instead you will be shown how to start thinking about spots and how to further improve your game on your own.

How you can optimise your game pre-flop
General note:
Observe your table, pay attention to players who are still to act after it's been your turn and write down notes on things that you've noticed.

Examples for possible observations
Your raises are often answered with a 3-bet:
If you realise that your opponents frequently 3-bet your raises, meaning raising again, then you should consider which hands are appropriate to continue with against these 3-bets.

Does it still make sense to raise with smaller pairs when you have to give them up against a 3-bet anyway? Should you rather just raise hands like AQ with which you could continue playing against a 3-bet for top pair value?

Your raises are frequently called by a lot of players
If you're constantly up against 3 or 4 callers on the flop although you've raised first-in to 3-4 big blinds, then you should consider increasing your raise size for stronger hands to 4-5 big blinds.

Players who constantly just call raises are often recreational players not following any particular strategy. Most of the time you will still have a better hand when playing against them, even when increasing your raise size.

UTG adaption

The first position at a short-handed table can be played very differently, either tight or very loose. The reason is that there are 5 more players still to act behind you and the dynamic at a short-handed table can vary much more in comparison to a full-ring table.

What can I change?
As said before, you should definitely try to adapt to the players behind you and the dynamic at the table. A good initial approach is to differentiate between tight and loose tables in general.

Example: When raising from UTG you often only get the blinds or a single caller.

This would be a good table for playing more hands. Depending on how comfortable you feel, increasing your range to hands like A9s/KTs/QTs/KJo/87s is recommendable.

MP adaption

MP is quite similiar to UTG therefore it makes sense to play just slightly wider range. With 4 people left behind it is still not a time to try to steal blinds frequently.

What can I change?

Again it is important to take into account the current dynamic at your table. If you know that the players behind you are playing loose and like to 3-bet, it is definitely not forbidden to play tighter than suggested in MP.

CO adaption

Now it is time to start stealing blinds. Paying attention to player type of BTN and blinds is crucial and it is where most microstakes regulars miss value.

What can I change?
When in the CO, you should try to extend the sample chart logically, thereby attempting more steals.

If other players limped before it was your turn, you don't really want to raise hands like T8s from the CO. However, if everyone folded, that hand is almost always strong enough to steal with.

The same goes for A8o. When allowed to raise A9o even when there limpers are in the pot, it's just logical that you can also try and steal with A9o , given that everyone before you has folded.

BU, SB adaption

Especially on NL2 to NL5 these are the positions where the chart is really close to the optimum. However, even in this case you shouldn't forget that different types of opponents require different ranges.

Without any particular information or observation on the players behind you, there's no reason to deviate from the chart.

Playing looser than suggested by the chart in BU/SB is almost never recommendable since the chart itself is already based on a loose approach. Of course, you wouldn't want to play T7o against very loose opponents in the blinds. But versus nity players you should be stealing almost anytwo cards just to exploit their preflop over fold which is a thing we will learn later on.

What can I change?
Pay attention and adapt!

If your opponents frequently react with a fold, then simply continue stealing. If the SB/BB is playing very loose, either by cold-calling or 3-betting a lot, you should stop stealing and just fold with T7o/J7o/Q7o and similar hands.

If you realise that the BB has re-stolen more than 4 times against you, meaning 3-betting your steal raise, then even KQ is certainly strong enough in order to call his re-steal and play a possible top pair in that 3-bet pot like a monster.

However, always keep in mind that you shouldn't make adjustments like that whenever you are unsure about an opponent.

Hand discussions are the perfect way to check whether you've played and adapted correctly against certain opponents or not.

BB adaption

In this case, it's important that you don't start weird re-stealing moves, meaning to 3-bet your opponents' steals with any possible hand.

Re-stealing as a bluff usually just make sense when you're playing with stats from software tools like Hold'em Manager 2 or PokerTracker 4. Since beginners shouldn't use these tools though, we are playing without stats and consequently without bluff re-steals.

What can I change?
You should always feel comfortable at your table.

If you're not comfortable with raising KTo against two limpers in MP2/MP3, that's definitely understandable. In such a case, don't raise and instead simply check when in the BB. Obviously, it's much easier to play against one opponent. So if you're more comfortable with raising KTo against a single limper, simply do so.

Remarks regarding CO/BU
Whenever you are in the last two positions in which you can play hands in position, it makes sense to start with so-called "top pair value calls" and "multi-way suited connector calls".

Multi-way suited connector calls
What does it mean?
Multi-way means that you're up against more than one opponent. Typical suited connectors are hands from 45s to QJs (for example 7♥ 8♥ ).

If you are holding such a suited connector in CO or BU, you can start calling in order to hit a post-flop monster whenever there was a raise not bigger than 4BB in front of you and at least one more player calling this raise as well.

This way you will be up against at least two opponents on the flop, increasing the probability to get paid off in case you are able to hit your monster.

With which hands can I do that?
Any suited connector from 45s to QJs

What do I have to take into account?
• Don't make this move in UTG or MP!
• Only do it with the presented suited connectors!
• Only call when the raise is not bigger than 4BB!
• Only call when at least one more player has called that raise as well!
• Only call when both opponents have at least 50BB in their stacks!

How do I continue with such a hand post-flop?
When it comes to playing suited connectors post-flop, simply stick to "Step 2.2: You've only called before the flop" in Lesson 2 of this beginners' course.

Special rule for suited ace-high hands
With suited ace-high hands like A♥ 2♥ you can basically play the same way as with suited connectors but you should only call with them when in the BU and when there is one raiser and two(!) more callers in front of you since the playability of these hands is a bit worse.

Top pair value calls
What does it mean?
According to our sample chart, if you're holding a strong hand like AQ, you should fold it in CO or BU whenever there was a raise in front of you. However, most of the time you almost always have a better hand than the raiser.

If you now start calling instead of folding with hands like AQ, you're gaining the advantage that your opponent will almost always continuation bet a favourable flop for you (A♦ T♣ 2♠ ), even as a bluff.

On the other hand, he will often play check/fold on unfavourable flops like 3♥ 6♥ T :club:, again leading to you to profit from it.

With which hands can I do that?
The more hands your opponent raises, the more hands you can call with for top pair value.

Usually, it should, however, be limited to hands like AQ/AJ/KQ since weaker hands lack the advantage in strength against the opponent's range.

What do I have to take into account?
Opponents that raise from UTG have less hands in their range and tend to play tighter and more careful than players raising from MP or CO.

Therefore, it is recommended for beginners to only call with AQ against raisers in UTG as long as you can't be sure that the player in UTG has a looser raising range which enables you to call with AJ/KQ or even weaker hands on top value.

How do I continue with these hands post-flop?
When it comes to playing suited connectors post-flop, simply stick to "Step 2.2: You've only called before the flop" in Lesson 2 of this beginners' course.


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

@Confidant91 Thanks for reviewing my hands in the last coaching; it was really great hearing your thought processes and how you analyse a hand. I need to watch them back again to take everything on board.

Here's another hand that I would love you to take a look at (and anyone else of course).

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $1.76 (88 bb)
Hero (BB): $2.16 (108 bb)
UTG: $2.20 (110 bb)
MP: $5.78 (289 bb)
CO: $2.15 (107.5 bb)
BTN: $3.66 (183 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9♠: 9♣:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.04, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.16, BTN calls $0.12, SB folds

So I think the min raise is pretty fishy by the BTN and then the call by the SB.
Don't think I am ever folding here - options are: call to set mine or 3bet.
According to lesson 1 with a min-raise before I should raise 4BB +2BB for each min-raiser/caller - so that is what I did.
The problem is if either villain is to 4bet I have 8BB to fold, but I think with that 4BB he is stealing? WIth what though? Ax, Kx, pocket pairs, broadways, suited connectors?

Flop: ($0.36) 3♥: 2♦: 6♦: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26
Still not sure about reading flops - we are heads up and I am OOP - this has flush potential and straight potential (particularly if he is stealing with suited connectors?). Would this have been a board to check/call or was I right to C-bet? I presume he is calling with draws and maybe overcards? Does he call with 6x? Should I have bet bigger to protect my hand better? Maybe like $0.30 or even pot?

Turn: ($0.88) J♦: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
I don't like this card as it completes a flush draw and it potential puts me behind to an over card, so I check. Should this be check/fold or check/call? I am edging towards check/fold as I am not sure I could call again on the River?

River: ($0.88) 4♣: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.62, Hero ?
The final card also completes a straight draw - I don't like it, so check. Is there ever an opportunity to bet here? I don't think so. Nothing to represent, but did the check behind on the Turn show weakness that I should check/call or is there too many draws completed and I should just give up.

Looking forward to your thoughts folks.


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ILIKEL4UGHING
Joined: 02.11.2014

Hey. Does the adjustments of pre only suit for the using of adjustments of post? If so, I hope the adjustments of post would release ASAP. Thanks!


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Originally posted by ILIKEL4UGHING
Hey. Does the adjustments of pre only suit for the using of adjustments of post? If so, I hope the adjustments of post would release ASAP. Thanks!

As far as I understand it, we are just thinking about adjusting pre-flop at the moment and playing post-flop as per lesson 2. Post-flop adjustments will come later.


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

Just one hand to look at today - one that illustrates a big leak in my play though and that is: "What flops should I cbet and which shouldn't I?" - now I know there are no hard and fast rules but some insight would be great if we could discuss that soon? Should I be more likely to cbet dry boards? or Wet boards? Heads up or against more than 1? Which boards should I bluff cbet? Which should I value?
Perhaps this comes up in post-flop next week, but if we can discuss soon I would appreciate it.

Here is the hand?
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

Hero (SB): $2.61 (130.5 bb)
BB: $1.03 (51.5 bb)
UTG: $2.31 (115.5 bb)
MP: $2 (100 bb)
CO: $0.91 (45.5 bb)
BTN: $2.05 (102.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K♥: K♣:
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, BTN raises to $0.08, Hero raises to $0.26, BB folds, CO calls $0.24, BTN calls $0.18
CO smells very fishy so I am glad he is in the pot - his range pre-flop? Suited connectors? broadways? I assume not premium as he would probably have raised, but who knows he is a fish?
BTN raises with Broadways, Pocket pairs, some higher suited connectors?

Flop: ($0.80) 9♦: T♣: J♠: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.51, Hero calls $0.51, CO calls $0.51
Hated the flop (at least it was rainbow) - seems like it could connect with either of the ranges quite hard. In the heat of the moment, I decided to check/call as OOP. Would this have been better to cbet? Could be some incomplete draws still do I want to make it poor odds to call? KQ, JT, T9, I am already behind too and I think are in both ranges?
CO check/calls, which I think points to a draw or a pair somewhere.

Turn: ($2.33) 4♥: (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.14 and is all-in, BTN raises to $1.28 and is all-in, Hero folds
So the Turn was air for everyone - would this have been a place to pick up aggression again given only 1 more card for draws that are incomplete. As played CO goes all-in - I assume I would have good enough odds to call that if we were heads up.
As is, BTN then shoves which makes me believe he completes his draw on the flop? KQ? Or does he sense weakness and do this with Top Pair and a draw? Maybe QJ?
With Confidant91's advice in my ears 'It's never a bluff at these stakes" I decided to fold?

What do you think?


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Spidey1978
Joined: 25.07.2007

@Confidant91 This one has a few different opinions on the hand discussion forum, I would love to hear your take on how it should have been played. Thanks in advance (and last hand for this week).

[NL2] AJo - straight draw on wet board on flop - TP on Turn


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