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imfar
Joined: 20.07.2009

We talking about NL10 SH
1. If we have a reg who opens 18% from UTG, folds 38%, and 4Bets 2%. Which means he will calls with ~9% range. What would be your 3betting range vs this guy from let's say CO? If he calls

Do you think something like this

Would be OK? Reds are 3bet/push, greens are calls, yellows are 3bet/folds

2. If we have a reg that on the whole cBets 57% and vs raise folds 34%, calls 52% and 3bets 14%, should I start raising my TP. I know it depends on board and positions, but my raise vs cBet should move towards value, right?

EDIT: Wrong place, Mods could you move it to No Limit


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved your thread to the NL section.
Then you get most likely more views of cash gamers.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

It's easier to play polarized with 3bets, imo.
From CO I'd flat AQ, JJ, TT.
AKo flat, AKs 3bet or flat.
AJs flat to keep his weaker Ax in.
I'd also call with mid SC's.

If he plays fit or fold postflop, you can add Axs as semibluff hands and cbet flops and turns.

If he postflop gets aggressive, then switch to TT+ (or JJ+), AK 3bet only.

His flatting range "should" contain many pocket pairs who most of the time can only withstand a flop cbet, but are thought to play OTT vs 2nd barrell (scare cards OTT help a lot).

Be careful barrelling OTR on low boards, since villain wont fold his QQ-99 often. I think, weaker pairs usually fold out OTT.

PS. GTO 3betting strategy might be a good start to keep you safe and not spew too much.


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

On second question:
14% out of 57% = 8%, which usually means TPTK+.

That makes me think that his calls are mostly draws and weaker pairs or pair + draw type hands (if he plays honest). So, if you raise his cbet and get him to 3bet back with nuts only, it's not a bad result. Easy to play, because he still calls with draws and weak pairs and you get a lots of value. However, that makes your flop calling range weak and he might barrell you at will.

I generally don't like to bloat the pot w/ one pair hands and want to keep villains range as wide as possible. But with 2pair + for sure.

Also general stats don't read well in between specific positions. F.e., people tend to call flop raises more IP and less OOP.

On the side note. You might want to look for signs if villain is honest with his flop 3bets. F.e., he might 3bet air on J73r, but bet/call his sets and keep your air in.


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

Also on 1st Q:
General stats doesn't mean that he calls so many 3bets from UTG. He might have called a lot from BTN vs blinds and it shows overall Fvs3Bet.


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imfar
Joined: 20.07.2009

Q1, these arent general stat.
I just think that this is a lost of value if we flat hands like AK, AQs, TT+ since they opens so wide and calls 3bets so lightly.

Thanks :f_thumbsup:


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Iscre4m
Joined: 13.12.2017

You're probably right. I'm looking for answers myself.

I guess, we 3bet/fold TT-JJ, AQ for 100 bb.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

generally speaking, if someone opens wide and doesn't fold to 3bets, you want to be depolarized so AQ is a clear value 3b.
i would cut out the "suited connectors" out of 3b range and include AQo KQs instead, being in position you can control how much money goes in with TP to a decent extent.


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